General Relativity, Wald, exercise 4b chapter 2

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The discussion revolves around a problem in general relativity, specifically related to vector fields forming a basis for the tangent space of a manifold. The original poster attempts to prove a specific equation involving the partial derivatives of these vector fields and their commutation relations.

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  • The original poster presents a proof attempt involving the commutator of vector fields and explores the implications of duality in the context of the problem. Some participants clarify notation and definitions related to the vector fields and their indices, while others question the meaning of specific terms used in the discussion.

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Suppose we have n vector fields ## Y_{\left(1\right)},\ldots,Y_{\left(n\right)} ## such that at every point of the manifold they form a basis for the tangent space at that point .
I have to prove that:

$$\frac{\partial Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}}{\partial x^\nu}-\frac{\partial Y_\nu^{\left(\sigma\right)}}{\partial x^\mu}=C_{\alpha\beta}^\sigma Y_\mu^{\left(\alpha\right)}Y_\nu^{\left(\beta\right)}$$

where ##C_{\alpha\beta}^\gamma ## are the coefficients of the expansion: ##\left[Y_{\left(\alpha\right)},Y_{\left(\beta\right)}\right]=C_{\alpha\beta}^\gamma Y_{\left(\gamma\right)}##.



My proof attempt...

From a previous exercise that the book proposes, I was able to demonstrate that the components of the commutator vector field have this form:
##\left[Y_{\left(\alpha\right)},Y_{\left(\beta\right)}\right]^\mu=Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\nu\frac{\partial Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu}{\partial x^\nu}-Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\nu\frac{\partial Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\mu}{\partial x^\nu}##.
Putting this together with ##\left[Y_{\left(\alpha\right)},Y_{\left(\beta\right)}\right]=C_{\alpha\beta}^\gamma Y_{\left(\gamma\right)}##, I can write that:

## \left(Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\nu\frac{\partial Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu}{\partial x^\nu}-Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\nu\frac{\partial Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\mu}{\partial x^\nu}\right)\frac{\partial}{\partial x^\mu}=C_{\alpha\beta}^\gamma Y_{\left(\gamma\right)}^\mu\frac{\partial}{\partial x^\mu} ##.

Now, let this operator act on the dual vector ## Y^{\left(\sigma\right)} ## of the dual basis ## Y^{\left(1\right)},\ldots,Y^{\left(n\right)} ##:

## \left(Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\nu\frac{\partial Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu}{\partial x^\nu}-Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\nu\frac{\partial Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\mu}{\partial x^\nu}\right)\frac{\partial\left(Y_\rho^{\left(\sigma\right)}dx^\rho\right)}{\partial x^\mu}=C_{\alpha\beta}^\gamma Y_{\left(\gamma\right)}^\mu\frac{\partial\left(Y_\rho^{\left(\sigma\right)}dx^\rho\right)}{\partial x^\mu} ##

## \left(Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\nu\frac{\partial Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu}{\partial x^\nu}-Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\nu\frac{\partial Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\mu}{\partial x^\nu}\right)Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}=C_{\alpha\beta}^\gamma Y_{\left(\gamma\right)}^\mu Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)} ##

Taking account of:

1) ## Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}\frac{\partial Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu}{\partial x^\nu}=\frac{\partial\left(Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu\right)}{\partial x^\nu}-Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu\frac{\partial Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}}{\partial x^\nu}=0-Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu\frac{\partial Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}}{\partial x^\nu} ##
2) analogously ## Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}\frac{\partial Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\mu}{\partial x^\nu}=-Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\mu\frac{\partial Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}}{\partial x^\nu}##
3) ##Y_{\left(\gamma\right)}^\mu Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}=\delta_\gamma^\sigma ##

we can rewrite the expression as:

##\frac{\partial Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}}{\partial x^\nu}\left(Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\mu Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\nu-Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\nu Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu\right)=C_{\alpha\beta}^\sigma ##.

At this point, I contract on ## \alpha ## and ## \beta## arriving at:

##\frac{\partial Y_\mu^{\left(\sigma\right)}}{\partial x^\nu}\left(Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\mu Y_\gamma^{\left(\alpha\right)}Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\nu Y_\rho^{\left(\beta\right)}-Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\nu Y_\gamma^{\left(\alpha\right)}Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu Y_\rho^{\left(\beta\right)}\right)=C_{\alpha\beta}^\sigma Y_\gamma^{\left(\alpha\right)}Y_\rho^{\left(\beta\right)} ##

To conclude, I would need to show (for example) that ##Y_{\left(\alpha\right)}^\mu Y_\gamma^{\left(\alpha\right)}=\delta_\gamma^\mu ##, but I can't see how...

From duality I can only deduce this on coordinates:

## Y^{\left(\alpha\right)}Y_{\left(\beta\right)}=\delta_\beta^\alpha ##

## Y_\mu^{\left(\alpha\right)}Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\nu dx^\mu\frac{\partial}{\partial x^\nu}=\delta_\beta^\alpha##

## Y_\mu^{\left(\alpha\right)}Y_{\left(\beta\right)}^\mu=\delta_\beta^\alpha##

something that I used in the steps above, but it seems to me to be different from what is needed in the last step to conclude.
 
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Remember that in something like ##Y_{(\mu)}^{a}##, the ##(\mu)## part labels the particular vector in the basis whereas the ##a## is an index. Note that you have used Greek indices for both the vector-labels and the indices, whereas I will make it especially clear by using Latin indices (a,b,...) for the indices. The defining relation is:

##g_{ab} Y_{(\mu)}^{a} Y_{(\nu)}^{b} = \eta_{(\mu)(\nu)}##

From this, you can derive the following: ##\eta_{(\mu)(\nu)} Y_a^{(\mu)} Y_b^{(\nu)} = g_{ab}##. To show that it's true, contract both sides with ##Y_{(\rho)}^{b}## to obtain

##\eta_{(\mu) (\nu)} Y_a^{(\mu)} Y_b^{(\nu)} Y_{(\rho)}^b = \eta_{(\mu)(\nu)} Y_a^{(\mu)} \delta_{(\rho)}^{(\nu)} = \eta_{(\mu)(\rho)} Y_a^{(\mu)} = (Y_{(\rho)})_a = g_{ab} Y_{(\rho)}^b##

Raising the index ##b## gets you to the equation you want: ##Y_a^{(\mu)} Y_{(\mu)}^b = \delta_a^b##
 
ergospherical said:
The defining relation is:

##g_{ab} Y_{(\mu)}^{a} Y_{(\nu)}^{b} = \eta_{(\mu)(\nu)}##
Sorry for my ignorance... what is ##\eta_{(\mu)(\nu)}##?
 
You can drop those brackets - I just mean the components of the matrix ##\mathrm{diag}(-1,1,1,1)##, with the brackets included for consistency with the left hand side. (It's also probably more common to just drop the brackets everywhere and rely on just Greek/Latin, i.e. ##Y_{\mu}^a##)
 
Ok, clear, thank you :)
 

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