General solution to PDEs-arbitrary constants

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The discussion revolves around the general solution to the first-order partial differential equation ∂u/∂x + ∂u/∂y = 0, specifically examining the claim that the general solution can be expressed as u(x,y) = f(x-y). Participants are exploring the implications of arbitrary constants versus arbitrary functions in the context of PDEs.

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  • Participants question the presence of arbitrary constants in the general solution of a first-order PDE, noting that the solution involves an arbitrary function instead. There is discussion about the differences in general solutions between first and second-order PDEs, and whether functions like f(x-y) are acceptable forms for general solutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of arbitrary functions in PDEs and exploring the differences between first and second-order equations. Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the chain rule and the implications of using f(x-y) in the context of the general solution.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and characteristics of general solutions in PDEs, particularly focusing on the transition from arbitrary constants in ODEs to arbitrary functions in PDEs. There is an emphasis on understanding the structure of solutions and the implications of differentiability in the context of the equations discussed.

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Homework Statement


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For the partial differential equation ∂u/∂x + ∂u/∂y = 0, the general solution is u(x,y) = f(x-y)

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I remember that the number of arbitrary constants in the general solution should be the same as the order of the differential equation. For example, for 1st order ODEs, there should be one arbitrary constant in the general solution; for 2nd order ODEs, there should be two arbitrary constants in the general solution.

In this case, the order of the differential equation is one, so it should have one arbitrary constant in the general solution, right? However, the above claims that u(x,y) = f(x-y) is the general solution. I am puzzled...Where is the arbitrary constant?

Thanks for any help!:smile:
 
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In PDEs you don't have arbitrary constants... you can actually have arbitrary functions, as is the case in this example.
 
nicksauce said:
In PDEs you don't have arbitrary constants... you can actually have arbitrary functions, as is the case in this example.

Then for PDEs, is there any general difference between the general solutions to, say, 1st and 2nd order PDEs?

Also, they have f(x-y), which is a function of x-y, is this allowed for general solutions to 1st order PDEs? I've seen arbitrary functions like k(x), c(y) for general solutions to 1st order PDEs, but not something like f(x-y).
 
kingwinner said:
Then for PDEs, is there any general difference between the general solutions to, say, 1st and 2nd order PDEs?

Also, they have f(x-y), which is a function of x-y, is this allowed for general solutions to 1st order PDEs? I've seen arbitrary functions like k(x), c(y) for general solutions to 1st order PDEs, but not something like f(x-y).
Yes, there are enormous differences between first and second order partial differential equations just as there are for ordinary differential equations!

If u(x,y)= f(x- y) where f is any differentiable function of one variable, then, by the chain rule, taking z= x- y,
[tex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}= \frac{df}{dz}\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}= f' (1)= f'[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}= \frac{df}{dz}\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}= f' (-1)= -f'[/tex]
so that
[tex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}= 0[/tex]
no matter what f is.

The general solution for the second order differential equation
[tex]\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2}= \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial y^2}[/tex]
is F(x-y)+ G(x+y) where F and G can be any twice differentiable functions.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, there are enormous differences between first and second order partial differential equations just as there are for ordinary differential equations!

If u(x,y)= f(x- y) where f is any differentiable function of one variable, then, by the chain rule, taking z= x- y,
[tex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}= \frac{df}{dz}\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}= f' (1)= f'[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}= \frac{df}{dz}\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}= f' (-1)= -f'[/tex]
so that
[tex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}= 0[/tex]
no matter what f is.
Is it correct to write the following? (I am asking this because you somehow didn't write the (x-y) part after the f ', you just wrote f ' and I am not sure why)
∂u/∂x = f '(x-y) (1)
∂u/∂y = f '(x-y) (-1)

In other words, if we let z=x-y, is it correct to write df/dz=f '(x-y) ?


The general solution for the second order differential equation
[tex]\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2}= \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial y^2}[/tex]
is F(x-y)+ G(x+y) where F and G can be any twice differentiable functions.
So first order PDEs have ONE arbitrary function (instead of one arbitrary constant) in the general solution, and second order PDEs have TWO arbitrary functions (instead of two arbitrary constants) in the general solution, is this the general rule?

Thanks for your help!
 
Is there a general pattern that typifies the general solutions to first order PDEs?
 

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