General/special relativity-a measurement problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem in the context of general and special relativity, specifically focusing on a non-local experiment designed to distinguish between a body in a revolving system and one experiencing constant acceleration. The original poster seeks to explore measurement techniques involving instruments placed at different points in space.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to conceptualize an experiment using instruments like accelerometers or clocks to measure proper time differences, but expresses uncertainty about the setup. Other participants discuss the implications of the Coriolis effect and the role of external observers in interpreting motion, raising questions about measurement methods in a rotating frame.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the Coriolis effect and the nature of acceleration, but no consensus has been reached on a specific experimental setup or methodology.

Contextual Notes

The problem is framed within the constraints of a final question related to proper time in a revolving system, indicating that the discussion is still in the early stages of addressing the complexities of general relativity.

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1. The problem statement: all variables and given/known

Describe a Non-Local Expirement that will lead to the conclusion that a body is in fact in a revolving system and not a system of constant acceleration. Non-Local meaning that the expirement uses 2 measurement instruments at 2 different points in space or 1 instrument with a segnificant size. describe what these instruments are and where they are placed.


2. this was given as a final part of a question involving describing the proper time of a body in a revolving system with SR due to gravitational potential. meaning not yet gotten to GR.




3. The Attempt at a Solution :
I tried to think of this something like the moon revolving around the earth, where the moon is the revolving system captured in the gravitational pull of the earth. somewhere 2 measurement instruments must be placed to variffy that the moon is revolving around the Earth and not being accelerated by some other constant force.
i'm really lost though on how to do this. i have a pretty good notion that an accelerometer should be used somewhere, or maybe clocks and something to do with proper time diffrences between the systems... really lost/

appriciate any kind o help.
thanks.
 
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hmmm, so you meen a viewer outside of the rotating frame of reference would observe the coriolis effect.
thats true' although it feels kind of like cheating, because one could say that a viewer outside the system would actually see the object rotating..
how would he measure it though?
 
It's NOT a matter of an "external observer". If you and another person are moving at a constant velocity, throwing a ball back and forth would be no different that if you we both stationary (relative to the "outside"). But if you are accelerating, because acceleration is NOT "relative" strange things may happen. In particular, if you and the other person are rotating around a point between you, throwing a ball toward the other person, you and the other person will see that ball curve away from the other person.
 

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