General theory of relativity&Planet orbits

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the general theory of relativity and the nature of planetary orbits, specifically whether orbits are elliptical or circular. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical descriptions, and the complexities involved in celestial mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that only one of the statements regarding the general theory of relativity or elliptical planetary orbits can be true, seeking clarification.
  • Another participant argues that both the general theory of relativity and the statement that planetary orbits are elliptical can coexist without contradiction.
  • Some participants assert that the force of gravity arises from the curvature of space and time, proposing that orbits should be circular rather than elliptical based on this curvature.
  • It is noted that both Newton and Einstein's theories lead to elliptical orbits, but calculations are necessary to determine the shape of orbits accurately.
  • A participant emphasizes the complexity of planetary orbits, mentioning factors such as interactions with other celestial bodies and the formation history of planets, which complicate simple orbital models.
  • Another participant states that planetary orbits are elliptical with small perturbations, referencing discrepancies in Mercury's orbit that were addressed by general relativity.

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Participants express differing views on whether planetary orbits can be circular or must be elliptical, with some asserting the validity of both perspectives. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

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Participants highlight the need for mathematical descriptions to accurately determine the shape of planetary orbits, indicating that assumptions about simplicity may overlook complex interactions and influences.

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Hi all,
Only one is true at a time "general theory of relativity or Planetary orbits are elliptical...please clarify me I will thank full to you..
 
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Assuming that I am correctly comprehending and/or inferring what you are asking,

The statements:
"[The] general theory of relativity [is generally accurate and applicable]"
AND
"Planetary orbits are elliptical."

are both generally true and accurate (in standard usage and understanding) and are in no way mutually exclusive or contradictory.

... or perhaps I misunderstood what is being asked.

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the force of gravity in fact arises from the curvature of space and time. Einstein proposed that objects such as the sun and the Earth change this geometry.
planet orbits are depends on curvature of space And distance from that planet to sun
So planet orbits must be cerculer instead of elliptical.
 

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Sai Siddhartha k said:
the force of gravity in fact arises from the curvature of space and time. Einstein proposed that objects such as the sun and the Earth change this geometry.
planet orbits are depends on curvature of space And distance from that planet to sun
So planet orbits must be cerculer instead of elliptical.

Both Newton and Einstein did extensive calculations to show that their theories led to elliptical orbits for the planets. In both cases you need to use the mathematical description of the theory to calculate this. Both theories generate essentially the same energy equation, although in GR there is an extra term, which is negligible for planetary orbits, but not in other cases.

You can't just guess the shape of planetary orbits without using mathematics.

Finally, planetary orbits depend on the geometry of spacetime, not just space.
 
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Further to the point, regardless of Newtonian or otherwise... the orbit of a planet is a matter of (fairly complex) kinematics, with factors such as collisions with other celestial bodies (meteors, comets, etc) having effects, as well as complex effects of other gravity wells (such as other planets) in the system. There are also complex variables associated with how any given planet formed (or was captured), adding yet more potential eccentricities.

A planet orbiting around a star is not defined by a simple, clean perfectly abstract 2 body equation.

There is a complex dance of both ongoing and intermittent forces at play. The solar system is a very busy place. Lots going on.

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Planetary orbits are elliptical with small perturbations. Newtonian physics had worked it all out, but there is small discrepancy in the orbit of Mercury, which was explained by General relativity.
 
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