General topology: Prove a Set is Open

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The discussion revolves around the set A defined as A:={x∈ℝ² : 1

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the intuition that the set may be open and consider geometric interpretations. There is an attempt to prove openness by showing that each point in A has a neighborhood contained in A. Questions arise regarding the basis for the topology of ℝ² and how to formally prove the set's openness using open balls or other bases.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested that the set can be expressed as an intersection of open sets, while others are questioning the necessity of proving the openness of open balls, given that they are defined as such in the topology. There is a recognition of the need for a formal proof, and various lines of reasoning are being explored without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the definitions and properties of open sets, bases, and the relationship between metric spaces and topological spaces. Some participants express uncertainty about the original set of open sets provided for the topology.

  • #31
PeroK said:
It's just the triangle inequality again:

##d(0, a) \le d(0, z) + d(z, a)##
##d(0, a) \le d(0, z) + d(z, a)## ⇔ ## d(0, z) ≥ d(0, a)-d(z, a) ##
 
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  • #32
lep11 said:
##d(0, a) \le d(0, z) + d(z, a)## ⇔ ## d(0, z) ≥ d(0, a)-d(z, a) ##

That's true,but what about using the inequalities you know for ##d(0, a)## and ##d(z, a)##?
 
  • #33
## d(0, z) ≥ d(0, a)-d(z,a) >d(0,a)>1 ##
 
  • #34
lep11 said:
## d(0, z) ≥ d(0, a)-d(z,a) > d(0,a)>1 ##

That middle equality cannot be correct. ##d(0, a)-d(z,a) \le d(0,a)## surely?
 
  • #35
PeroK said:
That middle equality cannot be correct. ##d(0, a)-d(z,a) \le d(0,a)## surely?
What's wrong?
 
  • #36
lep11 said:
What's wrong?

Come on! If you take a positive number away what you have gets smaller.
 
  • #37
PeroK said:
Come on! If you take a positive number away what you have gets smaller.
Okay, true.

I might just give up. I am not smart enough to study crap like this.
 
  • #38
lep11 said:
Okay, true.

I might just give up. I am not smart enough to study crap like this.
I took a break and tried again.

##d(0,z)≥d(0,x)-d(x,z)≥r+1-d(x,z)>r+1-r=1##
 
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  • #39
Thank You PeroK!
 

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