MHB Generating a linear equation from the given expression

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The discussion centers on generating a linear equation from the expression \(3^y = 4(3^{x-2}) - 1\), which is complicated by the presence of -1. Participants clarify that the equation is not linear due to this complication, making logarithmic manipulation ineffective. The user seeks to solve two equations simultaneously, including \(64(4^y) = 16^x\), which can be simplified using exponent laws. A solution involves expressing one variable in terms of the other and substituting it back into the original equation. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity in the problem statement to facilitate better guidance.
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Good Day,

I need some help with the following problem.

I do not know how to generate a linear equation connecting y and x from the expression below as the 4 seems to complicate things

\(3^y = 4(3^{x-2}) - 1\)

Could some one please care to give me some advice?

Thanks in advance.
 
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What complicates things is -1. Without it, taking log₃ of both sides we get y = log₃4 + x - 2. As it is, the relationship between x and y is not linear.
 
nicodemus said:
Good Day,

I need some help with the following problem.

I do not know how to generate a linear equation connecting y and x from the expression below as the 4 seems to complicate things

\(3^y = 4(3^{x-2}) - 1\)

Could some one please care to give me some advice?

Thanks in advance.

By linear equation I take you mean something which will give a straight line when plotted on a graph? Even so that $-1$ is much more problematic than the 4 because it means we can't use logarithms effectively (for the record the 4 wouldn't be a problem thanks to the log addition law) so a log-log graph won't come out linear either.
 
Thank you all for your advice.

However, I'm not required to transform the expression into a linear equation to plot it. I have to solve for x and y.

I apologise for not making myself clearer earlier. I was given 2 equations and I have to solve for x and y.

The other equation is: \(64(4^y) = 16^x\).

I had no problems in obtaining an equation connecting x and y from the above equation. It is the 2nd equation that I mentioned earlier in this post that I'm having trouble with in getting an equation connecting x and y.

Hope this information helps you give me a clearer direction.
 
nicodemus said:
Thank you all for your advice.

However, I'm not required to transform the expression into a linear equation to plot it. I have to solve for x and y.

I apologise for not making myself clearer earlier. I was given 2 equations and I have to solve for x and y.

The other equation is: \(64(4^y) = 16^x\).

I had no problems in obtaining an equation connecting x and y from the above equation. It is the 2nd equation that I mentioned earlier in this post that I'm having trouble with in getting an equation connecting x and y.

Hope this information helps you give me a clearer direction.

Ah, so it's simultaneous equations? This makes life much easier. The equation in the above post is also easier to manipulate.

$64 \cdot 4^y = 16^x$

Note that 64, 4 and 16 are all powers of 4 so the equation can be written as

$4^3 \cdot 4^y = (4^2)^x$

From the exponent laws: $4^{3+y} = 4^{2x}$

We also know that if the bases are the same the exponents must also be the same (or take logs to base 4, your choice) leading to: $3+y = 2x$

It is trivial to make y either y or x the subject of that equation and then to substitute it into $3^y = 4(3^{x-2})-1$
 
nicodemus said:
Thank you all for your advice.

However, I'm not required to transform the expression into a linear equation to plot it. I have to solve for x and y.

I apologise for not making myself clearer earlier. I was given 2 equations and I have to solve for x and y.

The other equation is: \(64(4^y) = 16^x\).

I had no problems in obtaining an equation connecting x and y from the above equation. It is the 2nd equation that I mentioned earlier in this post that I'm having trouble with in getting an equation connecting x and y.

Hope this information helps you give me a clearer direction.

If Your first equation is...

$\displaystyle 3^{y}= 4\ (3^{x-2})-1$ (1)

... with simple steps it becomes...

$\displaystyle y=\frac{\ln (\frac{4}{9}\ 3^{x}-1)}{\ln 3}\ $ (2)

Now You insert (2) into $\displaystyle 64\ (4^{y})= 16^{x}$ and solve in x...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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