Generating a linear equation from the given expression

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around generating a linear equation from the expression \(3^y = 4(3^{x-2}) - 1\) and solving for the variables x and y. Participants explore the implications of the constants involved and the nature of the equations provided.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the presence of -1 complicates the relationship between x and y, indicating that the equation is not linear.
  • Others argue that the 4 does not pose a significant issue due to logarithmic properties, while emphasizing that -1 prevents effective use of logarithms.
  • A participant clarifies that they are not required to create a linear equation for plotting but need to solve for x and y from two given equations.
  • One participant successfully manipulates the second equation \(64(4^y) = 16^x\) to derive a relationship between x and y, leading to the equation \(3 + y = 2x\).
  • Another participant proposes a method to express y in terms of x using logarithms, suggesting a substitution into the second equation for further solving.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complications introduced by the constants in the equations. While some agree on the challenges posed by -1, there is no consensus on how to best approach the problem of generating a linear equation or solving for x and y.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equations involve logarithmic manipulation and exponent laws, but there are unresolved steps in the transformation process and the implications of the constants involved.

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Good Day,

I need some help with the following problem.

I do not know how to generate a linear equation connecting y and x from the expression below as the 4 seems to complicate things

\(3^y = 4(3^{x-2}) - 1\)

Could some one please care to give me some advice?

Thanks in advance.
 
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What complicates things is -1. Without it, taking log₃ of both sides we get y = log₃4 + x - 2. As it is, the relationship between x and y is not linear.
 
nicodemus said:
Good Day,

I need some help with the following problem.

I do not know how to generate a linear equation connecting y and x from the expression below as the 4 seems to complicate things

\(3^y = 4(3^{x-2}) - 1\)

Could some one please care to give me some advice?

Thanks in advance.

By linear equation I take you mean something which will give a straight line when plotted on a graph? Even so that $-1$ is much more problematic than the 4 because it means we can't use logarithms effectively (for the record the 4 wouldn't be a problem thanks to the log addition law) so a log-log graph won't come out linear either.
 
Thank you all for your advice.

However, I'm not required to transform the expression into a linear equation to plot it. I have to solve for x and y.

I apologise for not making myself clearer earlier. I was given 2 equations and I have to solve for x and y.

The other equation is: \(64(4^y) = 16^x\).

I had no problems in obtaining an equation connecting x and y from the above equation. It is the 2nd equation that I mentioned earlier in this post that I'm having trouble with in getting an equation connecting x and y.

Hope this information helps you give me a clearer direction.
 
nicodemus said:
Thank you all for your advice.

However, I'm not required to transform the expression into a linear equation to plot it. I have to solve for x and y.

I apologise for not making myself clearer earlier. I was given 2 equations and I have to solve for x and y.

The other equation is: \(64(4^y) = 16^x\).

I had no problems in obtaining an equation connecting x and y from the above equation. It is the 2nd equation that I mentioned earlier in this post that I'm having trouble with in getting an equation connecting x and y.

Hope this information helps you give me a clearer direction.

Ah, so it's simultaneous equations? This makes life much easier. The equation in the above post is also easier to manipulate.

$64 \cdot 4^y = 16^x$

Note that 64, 4 and 16 are all powers of 4 so the equation can be written as

$4^3 \cdot 4^y = (4^2)^x$

From the exponent laws: $4^{3+y} = 4^{2x}$

We also know that if the bases are the same the exponents must also be the same (or take logs to base 4, your choice) leading to: $3+y = 2x$

It is trivial to make y either y or x the subject of that equation and then to substitute it into $3^y = 4(3^{x-2})-1$
 
nicodemus said:
Thank you all for your advice.

However, I'm not required to transform the expression into a linear equation to plot it. I have to solve for x and y.

I apologise for not making myself clearer earlier. I was given 2 equations and I have to solve for x and y.

The other equation is: \(64(4^y) = 16^x\).

I had no problems in obtaining an equation connecting x and y from the above equation. It is the 2nd equation that I mentioned earlier in this post that I'm having trouble with in getting an equation connecting x and y.

Hope this information helps you give me a clearer direction.

If Your first equation is...

$\displaystyle 3^{y}= 4\ (3^{x-2})-1$ (1)

... with simple steps it becomes...

$\displaystyle y=\frac{\ln (\frac{4}{9}\ 3^{x}-1)}{\ln 3}\ $ (2)

Now You insert (2) into $\displaystyle 64\ (4^{y})= 16^{x}$ and solve in x...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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