Geodesic quation coordinate time

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The discussion revolves around reparameterizing the geodesic equation in terms of coordinate time instead of proper time. Participants explore the mathematical transformations involved and the implications of such changes in different contexts, including stationary space-times and potential physical interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the geodesic equation in terms of proper time and attempts to reparameterize it using the chain rule, leading to an expression involving coordinate time.
  • Another participant suggests reconstructing the geodesic equations given spatial coordinates as functions of time, indicating a similar approach involving the chain rule and algebra.
  • A different participant notes that the expression can be related to the time dilation factor, ##\gamma##, and mentions its connection to conserved energy in stationary space-times, specifically in Schwarzschild coordinates.
  • One participant questions the term "meaningful" in the context of the expressions and discusses the necessity of physical interpretations, particularly in the Newtonian weak field limit.
  • There is a suggestion that eliminating ##\tau## derivatives may be possible by setting the parameter to the 0th component and making assumptions about the Christoffel connection coefficients.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation and simplification of the geodesic equation. While some agree on the use of the chain rule and the relevance of time dilation, others challenge the clarity and applicability of the terms used, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific assumptions about the physical system and the Christoffel connection coefficients, as well as the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in the reparameterization process.

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Hi guys

So I am having trouble reparameterizing the geodesic equation in terms of coordinate time.
Normally you have:

[tex]\frac{d^2 x^{\alpha}}{d \tau^2} + \Gamma_{nm}^{\alpha} \frac{d x^{n}}{d \tau}\frac{d x^{m}}{d \tau} = 0[/tex]

Where [itex]\tau[/itex] is the proper time. I class we were told to express the above in terms of coordinate time and so i reasoned that one would use the chain rule:

[tex]\frac{d }{d \tau} = \frac{d t}{d \tau} \frac{d }{d t}[/tex]

When i do so i get the following:

[tex]\frac{d^2 x^{\alpha}}{d t^2} + \Gamma_{nm}^{\alpha} \frac{d x^{n}}{d t}\frac{d x^{m}}{d t} = - \frac{d^2t/d \tau^2}{dt/d\tau} \frac{d x^{\alpha}}{dt}[/tex]

Which - i guess - has the form that one would expect because t is non-affine.

However i don't know how to proceed from here. I´ve tried to use [itex]d\tau ^2 = g_{nm}dx^ndx^m[/itex] to find [itex]dt/d \tau[/itex], but i can´t seem to get anything meaningful.

Thanks for your time!
 
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I did something related to this once upon a time, but it's been a while. Are you looking to find the form of the geodesic equations given that you have ##x^1##, ##x^2##, ##x^3## as functions of t? If so I might try to reconstruct what I did if you haven't already figured it out by the time I get to it., As I recall it was a matter of using the chain rule, plus some algebra involving the geodesic equation for ##x^0## (which is another name for "t") in it's original form as a function of ##\tau##, i.e. the standard geodesic equation for ##x^0(\tau)## or ##t(\tau)##.
 
You cannot simplify it any further but you can express it in terms of meaningful quantities: ##\frac{dt}{d\tau} = u^0 = \gamma## where ##\gamma## is the "time dilation factor" of the particle in the coordinate system that it is moving through. In stationary space-times, that is those with a time-like Killing field, you can also express ##\frac{dt}{d\tau}## in terms of the conserved energy per unit mass ##e##. For example in Schwarzschild space-time we have ##e = (1 - \frac{2M}{r})\frac{dt}{d\tau}##. Furthermore you can use the geodesic equation for ##\alpha = t## to get rid of ##\frac{d^2 t}{d\tau^2}##.
 
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What did you mean by meaningful? This is the expression for geodesic parametrized by non-affine parameter and any actual physical manifestation might require information on the physical system. If you mean to eliminate the τ derivatives; then I think it is possible to set α to 0th component.

In case you have never done so, physical interpretations usually rely on the Newtonian weak field limit, where the τ derivatives are eliminated by the original geodesic equation under that limit (again by setting α to 0 and making suitable assumptions about the Christoffel connection coefficients).
 

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