Geodesics in a rotating coordinate system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of geodesics in a uniformly rotating coordinate system, particularly whether there exists a coordinate system or metric in which the trajectories of freely moving objects, influenced by apparent forces, can be considered geodesics.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the trajectories of freely moving objects are influenced by apparent centrifugal and Coriolis forces in a rotating coordinate system.
  • One participant claims that the property of being a geodesic does not depend on the coordinate system, suggesting that trajectories are always geodesics regardless of the frame used.
  • Another participant emphasizes that a path is a geodesic if there are no "real" forces acting on it, noting that in inertial frames, there are neither real nor apparent forces on geodesic trajectories.
  • In non-inertial frames, such as a rotating frame, apparent forces may exist on geodesic trajectories, but these do not constitute "real" forces.
  • A participant references a specific metric related to the discussion, suggesting it may provide insight into the question posed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between coordinate systems and geodesics, with some asserting that all trajectories are geodesics while others question this in the context of apparent forces. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of "real" and "apparent" forces, as well as the implications of different coordinate systems on the nature of geodesics. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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In a uniformly rotating coordinate system the trajectories of freely moving objects are influenced by an apparent centrifugal and Coriolis force. Is there a coordinate system or metric (or both) in which these trajectories are geodesics instead?
 
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snoopies622 said:
In a uniformly rotating coordinate system the trajectories of freely moving objects are influenced by an apparent centrifugal and Coriolis force. Is there a coordinate system or metric (or both) in which these trajectories are geodesics instead?
The property of being a geodesic doesn't depend on the coordinate system. The trajectories of freely moving objects are always geodesics, whatever coordinate system you use.

In non-rotating Cartesian coordinates x = vt is a geodesic, which in rotating Cartesian coordinates might become X \cos \omega T + Y \sin \omega T = VT. In these coordinates X = VT would not be a geodesic.

I'm not sure if that answers your question.
 
The trajectories of freely moving objects will be geodesics in any coordinate system. The condition for a path being a geodesic is that there are no "real" forces influencing the path. In an inertial frame, there are no real and no apparent forces on a geodesic trajectory. In a non-inertial frame, such as your rotating frame, there may be apparent forces on a geodesic trajectory, but there are still no "real" forces.
 
Hmm.. Thank you both. Must think about this some more.
 
snoopies622 said:
In a uniformly rotating coordinate system the trajectories of freely moving objects are influenced by an apparent centrifugal and Coriolis force. Is there a coordinate system or metric (or both) in which these trajectories are geodesics instead?
I think the metric you are looking for is given in the last paragraph of chapter 2 in this:
http://www.projects.science.uu.nl/igg/dieks/rotation.pdf
 
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