Geodesics of the 2-sphere in terms of the arc length

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the arc length between two points on a 2-sphere, specifically focusing on the geodesic equations and parameterizations in terms of arc length. Participants explore different methods and approaches to derive the arc length and address potential issues with existing sources and calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the geodesic equation for a 2-sphere and attempts to evaluate the arc length but encounters difficulties with the integral.
  • Another participant warns about the reliability of the linked article from vixra, suggesting that it may not be a suitable reference for the discussion.
  • A different approach is proposed involving the rotation group ##SO(3)##, which could simplify the computation of distances on the sphere by transforming the points to the equator.
  • Further details are provided about the specific points in spherical coordinates and the derived parametric equations for the great circle passing through those points.
  • One participant discusses the relationship between the straight-line distance in 3-space and the angle subtended at the center of the sphere, suggesting a trigonometric approach to find the geodesic distance.

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Participants express differing views on the reliability of sources and methods for calculating arc lengths on a 2-sphere. There is no consensus on the best approach or resolution of the issues raised regarding the integral evaluation.

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Participants note potential limitations in the source material and the complexity of integrating the equations presented. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the evaluation of the integral for arc length.

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Parametrize the geodesics of a 2-sphere in terms of the arc lenght.
I'm trying to evaluate the arc length between two points on a 2-sphere.

The geodesic equation of a 2-sphere is:

$$\cot(\theta)=\sqrt{\frac{1-K^2}{K^2}}\cdot \sin(\phi-\phi_{0})$$

According to this article:http://vixra.org/pdf/1404.0016v1.pdfthe arc length parameterization of the 2-sphere geodesics is given by:

$$\cos(\theta)=\sqrt{1-K^2}\cdot \sin(\frac{s}{R})$$

$$\tan(\phi-\phi_{0})=K \cdot \tan(\frac{s}{R})$$However, when I evaluate the integral:

$$s=\int_{s_{1}}^{s_{2}}{ds}=s_{2}-s_{1}$$I don't obtain the right solution. Is there another way of parametrize the geodesics of a 2-sphere in terms of the arc lenght?
 
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I haven’t looked at the linked article yet, but you should be aware that vixra is generally an unreliable source - in fact, the forum rules specifically disallow using it.

It’s likely that one of our other members will be able to point you towards a better starting point.
 
The rotation group ##SO(3)## acts by isometries on ##S^2##. Given two points on the sphere, you could find a rotation that takes them both to the equator, and measure distance there, where the computation is much easier.
 
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Nugatory said:
I haven’t looked at the linked article yet, but you should be aware that vixra is generally an unreliable source - in fact, the forum rules specifically disallow using it.

It’s likely that one of our other members will be able to point you towards a better starting point.

Thanks for your answer. The problem is that I have two points in spherical coordinates:

$$P_{1}=(\frac{\pi}{4},0)$$

$$P_{2}=(\frac{\pi}{3},\frac{\pi}{2})$$

The great circle which passes through these two points is:

$$\cot(\theta)=\frac{2}{\sqrt{3}}\cdot \sin(\phi+\frac{\pi}{3}-n \cdot \pi)$$

The parametric equations are:

$$\cos(\theta)=\frac{2}{\sqrt{7}}\cdot \sin(\frac{s}{R})$$

$$\tan(\phi+\frac{\pi}{3}-n \cdot \pi)=\sqrt{\frac{3}{7}} \cdot \tan(\frac{s}{R})$$

What respects to the limits of integration:

$$P_{1}=(\frac{\pi}{4},0) --> s=1,209$$
$$P_{2}=(\frac{\pi}{3},\frac{\pi}{2}) --> s=0,7227$$

And the integral I evaluate is:

$$s=\int_{1,209}^{0,7227}{ds}=0,7227-1,209$$
 
I'll assume that your 2-sphere is the round 2-sphere (the locus of all points in 3-space whose distance from the origin is equal to 1). Now suppose you have calculated that the straight-line distance between two points of the sphere (as points of 3-space) — the usual square-root of the sum of the squared differences of corresponding coordinates — is equal to D. Using basic trigonometry, you can figure that D = 2 sin(θ/2), where θ is the angle between the radii of the sphere that end at each of the two points. (It's a good exercise to prove this.) From that, we conclude that θ = 2 arcsin(D/2). (Note that θ will be in the interval [0, π].) Now recall that the geodesic distance along a unit sphere is exactly that angle θ.
 
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