Geometric interpretation of complex equation

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The discussion revolves around the complex equation $$z^2 + z|z| + |z|^2=0$$ and its geometric interpretation. Participants explore the nature of the locus of the complex variable ##z##, considering options such as circles, ellipses, pairs of straight lines, or none of these.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to express ##z## in polar form and analyze the resulting equations. There are discussions about the implications of certain trigonometric identities and the interpretation of results in terms of geometric shapes. Questions arise regarding the correctness of assumptions and the interpretation of the results, particularly concerning the nature of the solutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and alternative approaches. Some suggest that the solutions may represent a pair of line segments rather than straight lines, while others question the validity of certain transformations and assumptions made in the analysis. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem and the need for further exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original equation's terms must be carefully considered, particularly the distinction between ##|z|^2## and ##z|z|##. There is also mention of potential confusion arising from the use of symbols and notation in the context of complex analysis.

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Homework Statement


$$z^2 + z|z| + |z|^2=0$$
The locus of ##z## represents-
a) Circle
b) Ellipse
c) Pair of Straight Lines
d) None of these

Homework Equations


##z\bar{z} = |z|^2##

The Attempt at a Solution



Let ##z = r(cosx + isinx)##
Using this in the given equation
##r^2(cos2x + isin2x) + r^2(cosx + isinx) + r^2 = 0##
##r^2(cos2x + cosx + 1 + i(sin2x + sinx)) =0##
Thus ##r=0## or ##cos2x + cosx + 1 = 0## and ##sin2x + sinx =0##
I can't think of a geometrical interpretation of this result. Using the real part as x and the imaginary part as y makes a funny graph at wolfram alpha

But solving analytically, I get a pair of straight lines
##z^2 + z\sqrt{z\bar{z}} + z\bar{z}=0##
##z(z + \sqrt{z\bar{z}} + \bar{z})=0##
Thus, either## z = 0## or ##(z + \sqrt{z\bar{z}} + \bar{z})=0##
In case ##z + \sqrt{z\bar{z}} + \bar{z} =0##
##2Re(z) = -\sqrt{z\bar{z}}##
Let ##z = x + iy##
##(\sqrt{3}x - y)(\sqrt{3}x + y)=0##

Where did I go wrong?
 
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WubbaLubba Dubdub said:

Homework Statement


$$z^2 + z|z| + |z|^2=0$$
The locus of ##z## represents-
a) Circle
b) Ellipse
c) Pair of Straight Lines
d) None of these

Homework Equations


##z\bar{z} = |z|^2##

The Attempt at a Solution



Let ##z = r(cosx + isinx)##
Using this in the given equation
##r^2(cos2x + isin2x) + r^2(cosx + isinx) + r^2 = 0##
##r^2(cos2x + cosx + 1 + i(sin2x + sinx)) =0##
Thus ##r=0## or ##cos2x + cosx + 1 = 0## and ##sin2x + sinx =0##
I can't think of a geometrical interpretation of this result. Using the real part as x and the imaginary part as y makes a funny graph at wolfram alpha
Do not use double angles. You get cos(x) from the imaginary part 2sin(x)cos(x)+sinx =0, and the same result as you got with the other method.
WubbaLubba Dubdub said:
But solving analytically, I get a pair of straight lines
##z^2 + z\sqrt{z\bar{z}} + z\bar{z}=0##
##z(z + \sqrt{z\bar{z}} + \bar{z})=0##
Thus, either## z = 0## or ##(z + \sqrt{z\bar{z}} + \bar{z})=0##
In case ##z + \sqrt{z\bar{z}} + \bar{z} =0##
##2Re(z) = -\sqrt{z\bar{z}}##
Let ##z = x + iy##
##(\sqrt{3}x - y)(\sqrt{3}x + y)=0##

Where did I go wrong?
 
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ehild said:
Do not use double angles. You get cos(x) from the imaginary part 2sin(x)cos(x)+sinx =0, and the same result as you got with the other method.

So, when ##cosx = -\frac{1}{2}## the equation is satisfied irrespective of the value of ##r## and so I get a line since r can vary for that particular value of x? Does this make sense? Thanks though, I just didn't know what to do with the equation I had.
 
WubbaLubba Dubdub said:
So, when ##cosx = -\frac{1}{2}## the equation is satisfied irrespective of the value of ##r## and so I get a line since r can vary for that particular value of x? Does this make sense? Thanks though, I just didn't know what to do with the equation I had.
Yes. But you can get the value of sinΦ, and then both x=rcos(Φ) and y=rsin(Φ), where r is arbitrary, and you also get the relation y=tan(Φ) x where tan(Φ) is known, and it can take two values.
In polar coordinates, Φ=constant is a straight line. ##cosx = -\frac{1}{2}## corresponds to two angles, so two straight lines.
 
WubbaLubba Dubdub said:

Homework Statement


$$z^2 + z|z| + |z|^2=0$$
The locus of ##z## represents-
a) Circle
b) Ellipse
c) Pair of Straight Lines
d) None of these

Homework Equations


##z\bar{z} = |z|^2##

The Attempt at a Solution



Let ##z = r(cosx + isinx)##
Using this in the given equation
##r^2(cos2x + isin2x) + r^2(cosx + isinx) + r^2 = 0##
##r^2(cos2x + cosx + 1 + i(sin2x + sinx)) =0##
Thus ##r=0## or ##cos2x + cosx + 1 = 0## and ##sin2x + sinx =0##
I can't think of a geometrical interpretation of this result. Using the real part as x and the imaginary part as y makes a funny graph at wolfram alpha

But solving analytically, I get a pair of straight lines
##z^2 + z\sqrt{z\bar{z}} + z\bar{z}=0##
##z(z + \sqrt{z\bar{z}} + \bar{z})=0##
Thus, either## z = 0## or ##(z + \sqrt{z\bar{z}} + \bar{z})=0##
In case ##z + \sqrt{z\bar{z}} + \bar{z} =0##
##2Re(z) = -\sqrt{z\bar{z}}##
Let ##z = x + iy##
##(\sqrt{3}x - y)(\sqrt{3}x + y)=0##

Where did I go wrong?
You did not go wrong; you simply did not complete the analysis.

However, the given answer possibilities are not really correct: the solutions form a pair of line segments, not a pair of lines. As you have pointed out, the given equation is ##z (z + \bar{z} + |z|) = 0##, so either ##z = 0## or ##2x + \sqrt{x^2+y^2} = 0## (where ##z = x + iy##). In particular, if ##z = x + iy \neq 0## then ##2x = -\sqrt{x^2+y^2} < 0,## so only the portion ##x < 0## is allowed. If append the point ##z = 0##, that means that the allowed solutions are of the form ##(x,y): y = \pm \sqrt{3} x,\: x \leq 0##.

A couple of final points for future reference:
(1) Do not use the same symbol ##x## for the real part and also for the argument in the same problem. Typically we denote the argument by ##\theta## or ##\phi## or some other Greek letter, but if you want to avoid excessive typing you can use something like ##w## instead. Just don't use ##x## or ##y##.
(2) In LaTeX, do not write ##sin x ## or ##cos x##, as these are hard to read and look ugly. Instead, use ##\sin x## and ##\cos x##, obtained by typing "\sin" instead of "sin" and "\cos" instead of "cos". The same applies to other commands like ##\tan, \cot, \sec, \csc, \arcsin, \arccos, \arctan, \sinh, \coth, \tanh, \log, \ln, \lim, \max, \min, ## etc.
 
Ray Vickson said:
the given equation is ##z (z + \bar{z} + |z|) = 0##,
That's wrong. The |z|2 term has been turned into z|z|. 1+i√3 is a solution of the original equation.
 

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