Geometrical algebra in theoretical physics

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The discussion revolves around the value of geometric algebra and geometric calculus for theoretical physicists, comparing these approaches to traditional vector calculus. Participants explore the advantages, challenges, and reasons for the limited mainstream acceptance of geometric algebra in the physics community.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that geometric algebra (GA) offers significant advantages over vector calculus, such as simplifying calculations and providing a more general framework that encompasses various mathematical constructs.
  • One participant notes that while GA can simplify problems, it may not be widely accepted or published in mainstream physics, citing challenges faced by proponents like David Hestenes.
  • Another participant questions why GA isn't more mainstream, proposing that comfort with traditional methods may hinder its adoption despite its potential advantages.
  • One contributor emphasizes the ease of manipulating tensor expressions using GA compared to index notation, providing examples to illustrate this point.
  • Participants express differing views on the potential for GA to replace traditional vector calculus, with some arguing for its superiority while others highlight the inertia of established practices in the field.

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Participants express a mix of opinions regarding the utility and acceptance of geometric algebra. While some advocate for its advantages, others raise concerns about its mainstream viability and the reasons for its limited adoption. No consensus is reached on whether GA should replace vector calculus.

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The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives on the applicability of geometric algebra in theoretical physics, with some participants noting the challenges of transitioning from traditional methods and the potential limitations of GA in certain contexts.

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Is geometric algebra and geometric calculus worth learning for a theoretical physicist? What are the advantages of this approach against the usual vector calculus ?
 
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1st question: Possibly. It's really interesting stuff, but it's not very main stream so if you work exclusively in it your work may be completely ignored by the larger physics community. And that's if you can even get it published. David Hestenes has had a lot of trouble getting his papers published (might be easier now, now that more people are working on it).

2nd question: Basically any geometric approach, including differential geometry (which is essentially completely contained in GA), allows you to work without reference to a specific coordinate frame. Calculating rotations is super easy in GA compared to vector arithmetic. Also, all of vectors, tensors, linear algebra, forms, quaternions, octonions, complex variables, etc. are all contained in the formalism of GA in some form or another. This makes it so that virtually all of physics can be worked in in terms of just GA. e.g. vector calculus works fine in E&M and classical mechanics, but it won't work for GR (you need more complicated tensor stuff). If you work with GA, you only need GA.

Simple example of GA vs. vectors: How many equations do you need for E&M? With vectors you need 4. With GA you only need 1.
 
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So why isn't it mainstream? Is it because it's new or what? Shouldn't it replace ordinary vector calculus if it's easier to work with and provide geometrical approach far superior than ordinary calculus?
 
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So why isn't it mainstream? Is it because it's new or what? Shouldn't it replace ordinary vector calculus if it's easier to work with and provide geometrical approach far superior than ordinary calculus?

Probably the same reason engineers don't use differential forms when doing EM. Because people feel comfortable with what they already know.
 
I consider it worth learning just for the simplicity it introduces into problems that otherwise would've been extremely tedious or difficult.

It's not uncommon that one will have to manipulate a tensor expression to try to get to a simpler result. GA's generality and identities make this much easier to do than laboring through index notation, in my opinion.

Example: find ##\epsilon_{ijk} \epsilon^{ljk}##. I can't speak to proving this in index notation, but in GA, you can keep things grounded and simple. The Levi-Civita tensor is just components of the pseudoscalar evaluated on some basis. In this case, we can generalize this problem to an equivalent one:

Simplify ##(a \wedge B) i (c \wedge B^{-1}) i = (a \wedge B)(B^{-1} \wedge c)## for vectors ##a,c## and bivector ##B##.

This isn't a hard problem to attack, especially with the power of GA. Projection onto grade and associativity make it rather straightforward. Note that ##ac = a B B^{-1} c## and project out some components.

$$ \langle a B B^{-1} c \rangle_0 = (a \wedge B)\cdot (B^{-1} \wedge c) = a \cdot c $$

This is actually so much easier than most identity problems, I was surprised I was done at this point. Usually you have to consider two grades at least, but since the result must be scalar, we're done here. Yes, for the identity we meant to consider, there's a missing factor of 2. I can't quite find it--probably would if I were more methodical--but it does show that there's some work in converting a tensor expression to a GA one.
 

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