Geometry and the principles of a spherometer

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The discussion centers on understanding the formula for calculating the radius of a sphere using a spherometer, specifically r = (h² + l²) / (2h). Participants express confusion about the derivation of this equation and its relation to the geometry of a right triangle. The Pythagorean theorem is suggested as a method to clarify the relationship between the radius, the height (h), and the leg length (l) of the triangle formed by the spherometer. There is a request for clarification on the terms used and their equivalence in the context of the problem. The conversation concludes with a participant expressing satisfaction after receiving guidance.
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Hello,

i'm struggling to understand the equation I've been given for finding the radius of a sphere by using a spherometer. I wasn't sure if this would be better in the physics section, but I figured it is essentially geometry.

Homework Statement



"From the diagram, simple geometry shows that the radius, r may be calculated from the formula r = \frac{h^{2} + l^{2}}{2h}"

See attached for the diagram.

The Attempt at a Solution



The h^{2} + l^{2} term makes me think that the curved surface is being approximated as the hypotenuse of a right angled triangle, but I can't make sense of where dividing by 2h gets you.

I've been trying to relate it to the formula for the radius of a circle using an arc, but I'm npt getting anywhere.

Please can you help?

Thanks!
 

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We can take the equation of the sphere to be x^2+ y^2+ z^2= r^2. The circular boundary of the lens is at z= r- h so x^2+ y^2+ r^2- 2rh+ h^2= r^2 and then x^2+ y^2- 2rh+ h^2= 0 or x^2+ y^2= 2rh- h^2.

That is a circle with radius l= \sqrt{2rh- h^2}.
 
HallsofIvy said:
We can take the equation of the sphere to be x^2+ y^2+ z^2= r^2. The circular boundary of the lens is at z= r- h so x^2+ y^2+ r^2- 2rh+ h^2= r^2 and then x^2+ y^2- 2rh+ h^2= 0 or x^2+ y^2= 2rh- h^2.

That is a circle with radius l= \sqrt{2rh- h^2}.

I don't understand exactly what you've done. What is the 'circular boundary of the lens'?

I follow your steps algebraically, but the resulting formula is not the same as stated in my lab book. Are the two actually equivalent?

I am confused what 'r' denotes in your explanation if you're using l for radius...
 
BOAS said:
Hello,

i'm struggling to understand the equation I've been given for finding the radius of a sphere by using a spherometer. I wasn't sure if this would be better in the physics section, but I figured it is essentially geometry.

Homework Statement



"From the diagram, simple geometry shows that the radius, r may be calculated from the formula r = \frac{h^{2} + l^{2}}{2h}"

See attached for the diagram.

The Attempt at a Solution



The h^{2} + l^{2} term makes me think that the curved surface is being approximated as the hypotenuse of a right angled triangle, but I can't make sense of where dividing by 2h gets you.

I've been trying to relate it to the formula for the radius of a circle using an arc, but I'm npt getting anywhere.

Please can you help?

Thanks!

Draw the radius from the center to the spherometer leg. That forms a right triangle with hypotenuse ##r## and legs ##l## and ##r-h##. Use the Pythagorean theorem and solve for r.
 
LCKurtz said:
Draw the radius from the center to the spherometer leg. That forms a right triangle with hypotenuse ##r## and legs ##l## and ##r-h##. Use the Pythagorean theorem and solve for r.

Thank you!

Got it.
 

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