Geometry and the principles of a spherometer

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The discussion revolves around understanding the geometry involved in calculating the radius of a sphere using a spherometer. The original poster presents a formula derived from a diagram, expressing confusion about the components of the equation and their geometric implications.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the terms in the formula and the geometry of a sphere, questioning how the equation relates to right triangles and the properties of circles. There is an attempt to connect the formula to known geometric principles.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the formula and its components, with some participants providing algebraic manipulations while others express confusion about terminology and equivalence of different expressions. Guidance has been offered regarding the application of the Pythagorean theorem, but consensus on the equivalence of the formulas has not been reached.

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Participants note discrepancies between the derived formulas and those found in the lab book, indicating potential misunderstandings or differing interpretations of the variables involved.

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Hello,

i'm struggling to understand the equation I've been given for finding the radius of a sphere by using a spherometer. I wasn't sure if this would be better in the physics section, but I figured it is essentially geometry.

Homework Statement



"From the diagram, simple geometry shows that the radius, r may be calculated from the formula r = \frac{h^{2} + l^{2}}{2h}"

See attached for the diagram.

The Attempt at a Solution



The h^{2} + l^{2} term makes me think that the curved surface is being approximated as the hypotenuse of a right angled triangle, but I can't make sense of where dividing by 2h gets you.

I've been trying to relate it to the formula for the radius of a circle using an arc, but I'm npt getting anywhere.

Please can you help?

Thanks!
 

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We can take the equation of the sphere to be x^2+ y^2+ z^2= r^2. The circular boundary of the lens is at z= r- h so x^2+ y^2+ r^2- 2rh+ h^2= r^2 and then x^2+ y^2- 2rh+ h^2= 0 or x^2+ y^2= 2rh- h^2.

That is a circle with radius l= \sqrt{2rh- h^2}.
 
HallsofIvy said:
We can take the equation of the sphere to be x^2+ y^2+ z^2= r^2. The circular boundary of the lens is at z= r- h so x^2+ y^2+ r^2- 2rh+ h^2= r^2 and then x^2+ y^2- 2rh+ h^2= 0 or x^2+ y^2= 2rh- h^2.

That is a circle with radius l= \sqrt{2rh- h^2}.

I don't understand exactly what you've done. What is the 'circular boundary of the lens'?

I follow your steps algebraically, but the resulting formula is not the same as stated in my lab book. Are the two actually equivalent?

I am confused what 'r' denotes in your explanation if you're using l for radius...
 
BOAS said:
Hello,

i'm struggling to understand the equation I've been given for finding the radius of a sphere by using a spherometer. I wasn't sure if this would be better in the physics section, but I figured it is essentially geometry.

Homework Statement



"From the diagram, simple geometry shows that the radius, r may be calculated from the formula r = \frac{h^{2} + l^{2}}{2h}"

See attached for the diagram.

The Attempt at a Solution



The h^{2} + l^{2} term makes me think that the curved surface is being approximated as the hypotenuse of a right angled triangle, but I can't make sense of where dividing by 2h gets you.

I've been trying to relate it to the formula for the radius of a circle using an arc, but I'm npt getting anywhere.

Please can you help?

Thanks!

Draw the radius from the center to the spherometer leg. That forms a right triangle with hypotenuse ##r## and legs ##l## and ##r-h##. Use the Pythagorean theorem and solve for r.
 
LCKurtz said:
Draw the radius from the center to the spherometer leg. That forms a right triangle with hypotenuse ##r## and legs ##l## and ##r-h##. Use the Pythagorean theorem and solve for r.

Thank you!

Got it.
 

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