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The discussion revolves around a proof involving a right triangle ABC, where the original poster is tasked with proving that angle DAE is congruent to angle EAF. The triangle includes segments AD as an altitude, AE as an angle bisector, and AF as a median, with points D, E, and F on side BC.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various approaches to the proof, including identifying similar triangles and exploring relationships between angles. The original poster mentions attempts to establish connections between angles ABC, BAD, DAE, and EAF. Hints are provided regarding the use of a circumscribed circle and drawing parallel lines to aid in the proof.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering hints and alternative methods to approach the proof. The original poster expresses gratitude for the hints and seeks further clarification on the logic used in their reasoning. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, as multiple approaches are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the relationships between angles and segments in the triangle, as well as the constraints of the original problem setup. The original poster also mentions a tutoring context, indicating a potential gap in prior knowledge regarding certain geometric concepts.

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Homework Statement



Given:

Right triangle ABC with right angle A

segment AD is an altitude of the triangle
segment AE is an angle bisector of angle BAC
segment AF is the median of side BC

note: side BC has points D,E, and F on it in that order

EDIT: I've added a picture of the figure:
http://westchesterccb.com/proofpic.JPG

Prove:

angle DAE is congruent to angle EAF



Homework Equations



N/A


The Attempt at a Solution



Got three similar triangles in ABD ~ DAC ~ DBA

Sorry for the lack of formatting. To anyone who would attempt this proof and possibly solve it, I'd greatly appreciate it.
 
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Hi meiso! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Hint: that's the same as proving that angle BAD = angle FAC :wink:
 
Yes, thank you for that hint. I had realized that and I still have not been able to solve it.
I also have the equations (either from givens or similar triangles and substitution):

angle ABC = angle DAE + angle EAF + angle FAC
angle BAD + angle DAE = angle EAF + angle FAC = 45 degrees
angle BAD = angle BCA

If I could somehow prove angle ABC = angle BAD + angle DAE + angle EAF,
then AF = BF, then BF = FC, and by the base angles theorem,
angle FAC = angle FCA, then by the transitive property, angle BAD = angle FAC, and the rest is easy from there. However, I can't seem to establish that link above.
 
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meiso said:
Yes, thank you for that hint. I had realized that and I still have not been able to solve it.

ah … well, that's why it's so important for you to start by telliing us what you have tried

ok, new hint:

you have a right-angled triangle, so draw it in a circle :wink:
 
Wow. Very elegant tiny-tim. Thank you. BC becomes the diameter of the circle, so BF, FC, and AF are all radii, so their measures are all equal, which is what I needed.

I was helping a high school student whom I tutor with this proof, and I never would have thought of using your method because he has not done anything like that in class. Thank you again, but if there is another method without using a circumscribed circle, I would love to know!
 
meiso said:
… if there is another method without using a circumscribed circle, I would love to know!

ok … alternative hint:

draw FG parallel to AC :wink:
 
Ok. So FG is drawn with G on segment BA, and intersects two sides of the triangle, so, being parallel to the base, it divides the other two sides proportionally.
Since BF=FC, BF/FC = 1, so BG/GA must equal 1 and and therefore BG=GA.

Following from that, I can use the SAS(BG=GA, two right angles, Reflexive GF) theorem to prove triangle BGF is congruent to triangle AGF. Triangle BGF is similar to triangle BAC (AA Theorem), so angle BFG = angle BCA. Angle AFG = angle FAC because they are alt. int. angles, but angle AFG also equals angle BCA (because angle BCA = angle BFG). By the transitive property (angle BCA = angle BAD already established), then, angle BAD = angle FAC!

This all led from your hint. Please tell me if any of my logic was incorrect (I know it's a lot to sift through) or if there is a shorter way to reach the conclusion.

And thanks again!
 
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meiso said:
… Following from that, I can use the SAS(BG=GA, two right angles, Reflexive GF) theorem to prove triangle BGF is congruent to triangle AGF. …

Yes that's ok, but from there on, because I know the circle method, I'd concentrate on sides rather than angles:

FG perp BA, so (SAS) BF = AF, so CF = AF, so angle CAF = ACF :wink:
 

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