Geostationary Satellite and Orbiting Satellite problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two satellites: a geostationary satellite (GeoSAT) and a lower orbiting satellite (ComSAT). The problem asks when ComSAT can be sighted directly above a specific point on Earth after being sighted at a certain time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Kepler's laws to determine the orbital periods of the satellites. There is confusion regarding the distinction between geostationary and geosynchronous orbits, with some participants questioning the relevance of certain formulas and concepts.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various approaches to calculate the orbital periods of the satellites and the implications for when ComSAT can be sighted. Some have provided formulas and insights, while others are clarifying definitions and assumptions related to the problem.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the correct interpretation of orbital periods and the relationship between the two satellites' orbits. Participants are also considering the time difference needed for ComSAT to be directly overhead after completing multiple orbits.

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Homework Statement


A satellite GeoSAT is in a circular geostationary orbit of radius RG above a point P on the equator. Another satellite ComSAT is in a lower circular orbit of radius 0.81RG. At 7 P.M. on January 1, ComSAT is sighted directly above P. On which day among the following can ComSAT be sighted directly above P between 7 P.M. and 8 P.M. ??
(a) Jan 3
(b) Jan 9
(c) Jan 15
(d) Jan 21

2. The attempt at a solution
I am sorry but I am unable to think of any possible way to solve this problem. Will Keplar's equations help?? :confused: I am totally confused! Please help!
For your assistance, the answer given is January 9.
 
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What is the period of a geosynchronous orbit with radius RG? Using Kepler's laws, what is the period of an orbit with radius 0.81 RG?
 
Umm...would that help?? :/
 
agnibho said:
Umm...would that help?? :/

Yes, it will help - that's why I asked the questions. Can you answer them?
 
Well, the formula to be applied can be...
T2/R3 = (4 * π2) / (G * M)

where M= 5.98x1024 kg i.e. the mass of the Earth.
Would it help now??
 
The above formula is for geosynchronous as I found out... but the question tells about geostationary orbit...
 
agnibho said:
The above formula is for geosynchronous as I found out... but the question tells about geostationary orbit...
Geosynchronous and geostationary really mean the same thing. Do you know what a geostationary orbit is? If you do, you should be able to tell me the period of a geostationary orbit without doing any calculations.
 
As Wikipedia states, the time period can be
T = 2π √(r3/μ)

What say??
 
okay
 
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phyzguy said:
Geosynchronous and geostationary really mean the same thing. Do you know what a geostationary orbit is? If you do, you should be able to tell me the period of a geostationary orbit without doing any calculations.

Yeah it's 24 hours! :-p
 
  • #11
agnibho said:
Yeah it's 24 hours! :-p

OK, good. It's actually 23 hours and 56 minutes, but 24 hours is probably close enough. So if the period of the satellite at radius R = RG is T = 24 hours, and if we know from what you wrote earlier that
\rm \frac{T^2}{R^3} = constant
then what is T when R = 0.81RG?
 
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  • #12
You don't need to know M or G. What you need to do is to answer phyzguy's questions.

What's the period of a geostationary satellite?
What do Kepler's laws say about the period of a satellite? Hint: Only one law says anything about the period.

From that, what is the period of that satellite whose orbital radius is 0.81 RG?
 
  • #13
oh okay got it now... so all I have to do is to find out the periods for both the satellites and then calculate the time difference to get the number of days, right?
 
  • #14
agnibho said:
oh okay got it now... so all I have to do is to find out the periods for both the satellites and then calculate the time difference to get the number of days, right?

Right.
 
  • #15
agnibho said:
oh okay got it now... so all I have to do is to find out the periods for both the satellites and then calculate the time difference to get the number of days, right?
There's more to it than that. The satellite will be directly overhead after an integral number of orbits.

Here's what you need to solve for: For what integers N is the time needed to make N orbits between M days and M days plus one hour, where M is another integer?
 

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