Angular momentum of a satellite

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The discussion revolves around the angular momentum of a satellite in a circular orbit around a planet. Participants are examining the relationships between angular momentum, radius, and mass, specifically questioning the proportionality of angular momentum to various factors such as radius and mass.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the formula for angular momentum and its dependence on mass and radius. There are attempts to clarify how velocity relates to radius in the context of circular orbits, with some questioning the assumptions about proportionality.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationships between variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the dependence of velocity on radius, and there is a recognition of the complexity of the question. Multiple interpretations of the relationships are being explored.

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Participants note the potential confusion arising from the question's wording and the implications of circular motion on angular momentum calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the need to express angular momentum in terms of known variables, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A satellite is in a circular orbit of radius R from the planet's center of mass around a planet of mass M.

The angular momentum of the satellite in its orbit is:
I. directly proportional to R.
II. directly proportional to the square root of R
III. directly proportional to the square root of M.

The correct answer apparently is II and III.

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OK, I thought that since the satellite's angular momentum is mvR * sin(90), then its angular momentum would be directly proportional to its mass, velocity, and/or even the radius orbit.

I was thus the only thing that made sense.

Why is the correct answer II and III? Thanks so much in advance for the help!
 
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RoboNerd said:
OK, I thought that since the satellite's angular momentum is mvR * sin(90), then its angular momentum would be directly proportional to its mass, velocity, and/or even the radius orbit.

I was thus the only thing that made sense.

Why is the correct answer II and III? Thanks so much in advance for the help!
angular momentum is moment of momentum , in a way you may have correctly thought of the dependence ;
but is there a dependence of v on R?
may be v is proportional to R^ -1/2 ! then the ang. momentum can be said to be dependent on R^1/2
 
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RoboNerd said:

The Attempt at a Solution


OK, I thought that since the satellite's angular momentum is mvR * sin(90), then its angular momentum would be directly proportional to its mass, velocity, and/or even the radius orbit.

I was thus the only thing that made sense.

Why is the correct answer II and III? Thanks so much in advance for the help!

This is a slightly nasty question because, in general, angular momentum is directly proportional to ##r## and ##v##. So, if the question were:

An object is moving past a planet at a distance ##R##, its angular momentum is ...? Then "proportional to R" would be correct.

But, in a circular orbit, ##v## depends on ##R## and the mass of the planet and the gravitational constant. So, it was necessary to express angular momentum in terms of all the known variables first.

The question is a bit tricky in my opinion. Slightly disengenuous, perhaps.
 
drvrm said:
may be v is proportional to R^ -1/2 ! then the ang. momentum can be said to be dependent on R^1/2
If I have G * mass planet * mass sattelite / r^2 = mass sat. * v^2 /r

Then I have v = sqrt( G * mass planet/ r).

So the velocity is not directly proportional to the square root of r, but inversely proportional! Right?
 
RoboNerd said:
If I have G * mass planet * mass sattelite / r^2 = mass sat. * v^2 /r

Then I have v = sqrt( G * mass planet/ r).

So the velocity is not directly proportional to the square root of r, but inversely proportional! Right?
Yes.
 
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RoboNerd said:
If I have G * mass planet * mass sattelite / r^2 = mass sat. * v^2 /r

Then I have v = sqrt( G * mass planet/ r).

So the velocity is not directly proportional to the square root of r, but inversely proportional! Right?

your angular momentum is equal to m.v. r and if you say v to be proportional to 1/sqrt(r) ,

then you get the ang. momentum as directly proportional to sqrt(r) ;
i think that is what you need .
regarding dependence on mass - if you replace v in terms of mass and r which are under sqrt sign ---one can say that angular momentum is proportional to sqrt(mass) also

RoboNerd said:
II. directly proportional to the square root of R
III. directly proportional to the square root of M.

The correct answer apparently is II and III.
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so at least it corroborates the answer
 
drvrm said:
then you get the ang. momentum as directly proportional to sqrt(r) ;

No, I think it would be inversely proportional?
 
RoboNerd said:
No, I think it would be inversely proportional?

so , again i repeat for your consideration:
L = m.v.r ,
v = constant / sqrt(r) ; substitute in L (ang. momentum)
L= m. constant / sqrt(r) . r = m . constant. sqrt(r) so L is proportional to sqrt(r)
as r = sqrt(r). sqrt(r)
 

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