Get Bifilar Wound Coils for Your Project: 2 of Each Type

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around sourcing bifilar wound flat spiral and cylindrical coils for a project related to wireless power transfer. Participants explore the characteristics, applications, and manufacturing options for these coils, as well as their specific requirements for power transfer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks bifilar wound coils in specific quantities for a project.
  • Another participant provides a link to information about flat bifilar spirals, noting their historical connection to Tesla.
  • Several participants discuss the properties of bifilar coils, including their ability to cancel induction and the implications of having zero self-inductance.
  • Participants inquire about the application of the coils, specifically for wireless power transfer, and discuss power requirements and distances involved.
  • There is a debate about the effectiveness of bifilar coils compared to unifilar coils in terms of power transfer and field generation.
  • Some participants mention the use of bifilar windings in specific applications, such as Residual Current Circuit breakers.
  • A suggestion is made to use Litz wire for multi-strand inductors, which has historical relevance in radio circuits.
  • One participant shares their project of building a spool spinner for in-house manufacturing of twisted pair wire, indicating a DIY approach to creating the necessary components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the properties and applications of bifilar coils, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the specific characteristics desired for the project.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the exact nature of the coils needed, including the desired magnetic field characteristics and the implications of using bifilar versus unifilar designs. The discussion also highlights differing opinions on the effectiveness of bifilar coils in various applications.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to hobbyists and professionals involved in wireless power transfer, electrical engineering, and those exploring DIY projects related to coil manufacturing.

Vikas_Madhu
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Hi anyone can help me to get these... i want bifilar wounded flat spiral and cylindrical coils for my project can anyone tell where i can get them i required in quantity of two each
 
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Here is one link to the flat bifilar spirals, looks like it was invented by Tesla:

http://energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6674-teslas-bifilar-pancake-coils.html
 
Yeah i know about that information but i want details about manufacturers for it
 
This kind of coil cancels induction, Is that what you want?
 
Yes your correct... i want that type of coil but i want to know where i can get not the details about the coil
 
Can you tell us your application?
 
wireless power transfer
 
That's what I thought. Do you know how much power you want to transfer and how far? There are some apps where you just power a mat that you can set the device to be charged on the mat where the distance is only a few cm. Then there is the kind that wants several hundred watts at 2 meters. Which app are you after?
 
My application needs to transfer minimum of 5 volts and (200-300) mA range current that means i should be able to transfer atleast 1-2watt range at a distance of atleast 1 meter
 
  • #10
Ok, now what you need is to figure out the frequency of the coil. I would guess something around 1 mhz or so. You say 'at least' one meter, what about 'at most'?
 
  • #11
A bifilar wound coil will produce no magnetic field. Why would you want that?
 
  • #12
does it cancel the negative effects of coil by making self inductance zero or it completely makes field zero..?
 
  • #13
The latter, inductance zero. That was why I was wondering what you were after.
 
  • #14
but i heard it reduces the drop across the inductor but increases the field generated around it. and also some people told compared to unifilar coils with bifilar coils they are getting more power in secondary coil
 
  • #15
Vikas_Madhu said:
does it cancel the negative effects of coil by making self inductance zero or it completely makes field zero..?

Are those two things different?

Otoh, are you really wanting a multi strand inductor?

There are applications for bifilar windings. For instance in Residual Current Circuit breakers an some component bridges.
 
  • #16
sophiecentaur said:
Are those two things different?

Otoh, are you really wanting a multi strand inductor?

There are applications for bifilar windings. For instance in Residual Current Circuit breakers an some component bridges.

yes i need multi strand inductor..
 
  • #17
Try Litz wire. It was very popular at one time in radio circuits.
 
  • #18
In-house bifilar twisted pair machine - diy

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted

I have begun building my own spool spinner for in-house manufacturing of twisted pair stainless fine enamel coated wire. I've added a description, more photos and videos to the link above. I hope to break this barrier and make twisted pair capability available to hobbyists like myself, also a retired NASA contractor. Thanks, Ron
 

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