Getting a BS in Math or Physics: Advice for a UC Davis Freshman

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The discussion revolves around the decision-making process for a freshman at UC Davis considering whether to pursue a Bachelor of Science in Mathematics, Physics, or a combination of both, with a focus on interests in quantum gravity and foundational issues in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of each educational path and its relevance to their future academic and research goals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a preference for a BS in math due to its relevance to quantum gravity and foundational issues in quantum mechanics, citing specific theories like Loop Quantum Gravity.
  • Another participant suggests majoring in physics while taking advanced math electives, arguing that a physics degree is more suitable for the intended research area.
  • A third participant proposes that a physics major with a math minor or a double major would be beneficial, emphasizing the importance of summer classes to expedite the process.
  • One contributor advises getting involved in independent study projects with professors in either department to enhance competitiveness for graduate school and gain practical experience.
  • Another participant echoes the initial post, reiterating the importance of consulting with professors about their research areas and the potential biases they may have towards their respective departments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the best path forward, with no consensus reached on whether a BS in math, physics, or a combination of both is preferable for the stated goals.

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Participants acknowledge the potential benefits and drawbacks of each major but do not resolve the implications of course selection or the specific requirements of each degree. The discussion reflects varying personal experiences and educational strategies without definitive conclusions.

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Students considering undergraduate degrees in mathematics or physics, particularly those interested in quantum gravity and related fields, may find the insights and experiences shared in this discussion relevant.

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All right, I'm a first year freshman at UC Davis, and I can graduate in three years with a BS in math, or five years with a BS in physics (taking a number of math courses), or possibly 6 years with a BS in math and in physics.

I want to go into quantum gravity and foundational issues in quantum mechanics, or something along those lines. It seems to me that it would be a good idea to go with math since that will be used extensively in quantum gravity (viz. Loop Quantum Gravity alone!) or foundational issues in quantum mechanics (e.g. Isham's topos in quantum theory).

But I was always told that I ought to get a good, solid foundation in physics from (well) physicists. Should I disregard their advice and go for the BS in math since it's faster? Or should I get a BS in math and physics? Or just physics?

Thanks for any advice!
 
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I've got about the same goals as you, and am still in undergrad. My plan is basically this:

major in physics, taking lots of advanced math electives (~10). Things like advanced analysis, a few algebra courses, lie groups, topology

I'm planning on doing a Masters in math after this, probably in mathematical physics, lie groups or something similar
After this, though it's quite far, I'd probably take a PhD back in a physics department

It seems to make sense to me. You don't really need a BS in math to do these, just get it in physics, and take as many math electives as you can, while still not being forced into some math requirements which would be useless for your field.

Another possibility might be to take the BS in math and take a lot of physics electives, but I don't quite like this one as much. Seems like you'd be missing a lot of stuff, things like electrodynamics, more advanced QM, courses on GR and so no.
 
A degree in physics would probably suit you more than a degree in math. A physics major with a math minor would probably be pretty good, or just do the double major. If you take 2 classes each summer you can save a lot of time (and money) getting the double major.
 
Regardless of the courses/major (also I lean also to a degree in physics with lots of math or a dual)... also try to get involved in an independent study project with a professor doing research in the area... this could be through the department of math or physics. It will make you more competitive for grad schools, give you hands on experience, and give you a personal advisor (with networks!) when it comes time to choose your next step after graduation.
 
pqnelson said:
All right, I'm a first year freshman at UC Davis, and I can graduate in three years with a BS in math, or five years with a BS in physics (taking a number of math courses), or possibly 6 years with a BS in math and in physics.

I want to go into quantum gravity and foundational issues in quantum mechanics, or something along those lines. It seems to me that it would be a good idea to go with math since that will be used extensively in quantum gravity (viz. Loop Quantum Gravity alone!) or foundational issues in quantum mechanics (e.g. Isham's topos in quantum theory).

Woo-hoo! I got my undergrad EE degree at UCD! Good school, and a fun place to live. We try to make it to Picnic Day every year.

What professors in the Physics and Math departments are involved in research that is closest to what you want to do? I'd recommend talking to them -- they'll probably each have a bias towards their own department of course, but at least you'll be able to talk over the issues involved in the two specialties versus combining them in a double major.

Best of luck! :biggrin:
 

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