Getting involved with research without graduate degree?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibilities for undergraduate students, particularly those with a background in mathematics and biology, to engage in research, specifically in the field of aging. Participants explore pathways to involvement in research without a graduate degree, including potential job roles and the nature of research opportunities available to those with a bachelor's degree.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to engage in aging research despite concerns about their academic average and the feasibility of entering graduate school.
  • Another suggests that internships could be a viable way to gain research experience with a bachelor's degree.
  • A participant shares that their spouse employs BS-level research associates in public health research, indicating that such positions exist and can involve significant responsibilities.
  • There is a suggestion that a BSc in bioinformatics could lead to supporting roles in research labs or companies, though it may not confer the status of a "true scientist."
  • One participant argues that engaging in biological research with a BSc may be more accessible than in fields like physics or mathematics, where technical support roles typically require different degrees.
  • Another participant mentions the possibility of setting up a molecular biology lab for personal experiments, noting that it could be a more affordable venture compared to physics labs.
  • A participant shares their experience of working at a national lab in a research-support role, highlighting that it is possible to contribute to publishable research without a PhD.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are opportunities for individuals with a bachelor's degree to engage in research, particularly in biology and bioinformatics. However, there is no consensus on the extent of involvement or the specific pathways available, indicating a range of perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted regarding the assumptions about job availability and the nature of research roles, as well as the varying definitions of what constitutes significant involvement in research.

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Hello,

I am studying mathematics and biology as an undergrad. I have always want to do a PhD, but due to having a B- average, I need to set up a realistic plan, (i.e, not going to grad school and try to find a job) although I have not given up hope entirely.

I am seriously interested in aging. Recent results from Harvard and Stanford seem to show that the fountain of youth is not entirely fictional and I wish to get involved with research in aging. But obviously I can't get into Harvard or Stanford, I will be more than happy if I can get involved anywhere though.

So I thought of doing my undergrad in bioinformatics, (similar to what I have done so far, I can just stay for one extra year) getting a job as a bioinformatics developer. I will keep on studying on my own, get to know the people who do research and maybe share my own thought over a cup of coffee.

If my research interests were in pure mathematics or theoretical physics, I would not even have posted this. I can just read new papers on ArXiv. But for biology, I will need access to all the expensive lab materials. So my question is, how much can I get involved, with just a bachelor's degree, specifically in aging research with a bachelor's degree?
 
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wj2cho said:
So my question is, how much can I get involved, with just a bachelor's degree, specifically in aging research with a bachelor's degree?
The quick answer is internships :)
@Ryan_m_b might have more advice
 
My wife conducts public health research studies (not aging specifically but similar type stuff) at a major university. She has a team of BS-level research associates whose job it is to implement the research. For example they recruit patients, take measurements, run stats, maintain databases, and collaborate on the paper writing. A lot of "large scale" research, and by that I mean the group is bigger than can be filled with grad students, is done by people with BS degrees. Often people do it a few years before going to graduate school.
 
Isn't a BSc in bioinformatics fine to get a job supporting PhD researchers at some lab or institution? Or at least at a company involved with bioinformatics/genomic data? Yeah, you won't be a true scientist but depending on how good your ideas are, the more influence you will have.

I'd say that as a biologist/bioinformatist it would be easier to get involved with research with just a BSc than with physics or math because there you would rather want a CS or engineering BSc as a supporting techician.

You can actually set up a mol. bio lab yourself and do a few experiments yourself. It is not that expensive. But of course it wouldn't be a way to generate the data you are looking for, but you can do a lot of stuff. Could be more of a hobby thing. I mean, compare that to a physics lab where almost everything is super expensive.
 
wj2cho said:
Hello,

I am studying mathematics and biology as an undergrad. I have always want to do a PhD, but due to having a B- average, I need to set up a realistic plan, (i.e, not going to grad school and try to find a job) although I have not given up hope entirely.

I am seriously interested in aging. Recent results from Harvard and Stanford seem to show that the fountain of youth is not entirely fictional and I wish to get involved with research in aging. But obviously I can't get into Harvard or Stanford, I will be more than happy if I can get involved anywhere though.

So I thought of doing my undergrad in bioinformatics, (similar to what I have done so far, I can just stay for one extra year) getting a job as a bioinformatics developer. I will keep on studying on my own, get to know the people who do research and maybe share my own thought over a cup of coffee.

If my research interests were in pure mathematics or theoretical physics, I would not even have posted this. I can just read new papers on ArXiv. But for biology, I will need access to all the expensive lab materials. So my question is, how much can I get involved, with just a bachelor's degree, specifically in aging research with a bachelor's degree?

I have two bachelors degree and my job at a national lab is essentially a research position. It's supporting the experiments proposed by the PhD's but I'm still doing research that can be published.
 

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