Getting to Grips with Rank-2 Tensors

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The discussion centers on the understanding of rank-2 tensors, specifically the differences between (2,0), (0,2), and (1,1) tensors. Participants explore their representations as matrices, their actions on various objects (vectors and one-forms), and the implications of these distinctions in the context of the electromagnetic field strength tensor.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the differences between (2,0), (0,2), and (1,1) tensors, noting that they act on different objects.
  • There is a discussion about how matrix representations depend on the choice of basis, which complicates the identification of the tensor type.
  • Some participants suggest that the distinction between (2,0) and (0,2) tensors can be understood in terms of their action on vectors versus one-forms.
  • One participant mentions that the representation of tensors as matrices may not capture all the nuances of tensor notation.
  • There is a reference to the electromagnetic field strength tensor being defined in both (2,0) and (0,2) forms, raising questions about the appropriate context for each representation.
  • Another participant proposes that the matrix representation can be viewed as a linear map, with distinctions made between column and row vectors.
  • Links to external blog articles about tensors are shared, indicating an interest in further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share similar confusions and questions regarding rank-2 tensors, but there is no consensus on the best way to understand or represent these tensors. Multiple perspectives on their definitions and applications remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of matrix notation in fully capturing the properties of tensors, and there are unresolved questions about the specific contexts in which different tensor forms should be used.

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Hello! I am reading about tensors and I am a bit confused about rank-2 tensors. From what I understand they can be represented by a matrix. However I am not sure I understand the difference between (2,0), (0,2) and (1,1) tensors. I understand that they act on different objects (vectors or one forms or both) but having a matrix, how can u know what kind of tensor it is? Also, for example I saw definitions of electromagnetic field strength tensor written both as (2,0) and (0,2) tensor and I am not sure I understand the difference. What would be the 2 vectors it can act on and what would be the 2 one-forms it can act on, and how do we know when to use the right form?
 
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Silviu said:
Hello! I am reading about tensors and I am a bit confused about rank-2 tensors. From what I understand they can be represented by a matrix.
Yes. This assumes, however, the choice of some basis, according to which the matrix entries are the coordinates.
However I am not sure I understand the difference between (2,0), (0,2) and (1,1) tensors.
It's the same as between ##f : U^* \times V^* \rightarrow \mathbb{F}\, , \,f : U \times V \rightarrow \mathbb{F}\, , \,f: U^* \times V \rightarrow \mathbb{F}##.
I understand that they act on different objects (vectors or one forms or both) ...
Yes.
... but having a matrix, ...
requires a basis of both ...
how can u know what kind of tensor it is?
You can't. How can you tell, whether ##(1,2)## is a vector, a linear function ##f : \mathbb{R}^2 \rightarrow \mathbb{R}\, , \,x \mapsto \langle (1,2),x\rangle## or simply a point in the Euclidean plane? Or a lattice point?
Also, for example I saw definitions of electromagnetic field strength tensor written both as (2,0) and (0,2) tensor and I am not sure I understand the difference.
As ##V^* \cong V## the difference is, whether ##(1,2) \in V## or ##(x \mapsto \langle (1,2),x \rangle) \in V^*##. Both are represented by ##(1,2)##.
What would be the 2 vectors it can act on and what would be the 2 one-forms it can act on, and how do we know when to use the right form?
It simply depends on what you want the matrix ##M## to represent. You have ##f(u,v)= u^tMv## and from which vector spaces ##u## and ##v## are, depends on what you want to do.
 
Silviu said:
Hello! I am reading about tensors and I am a bit confused about rank-2 tensors. From what I understand they can be represented by a matrix. However I am not sure I understand the difference between (2,0), (0,2) and (1,1) tensors. I understand that they act on different objects (vectors or one forms or both) but having a matrix, how can u know what kind of tensor it is? Also, for example I saw definitions of electromagnetic field strength tensor written both as (2,0) and (0,2) tensor and I am not sure I understand the difference. What would be the 2 vectors it can act on and what would be the 2 one-forms it can act on, and how do we know when to use the right form?

Matrix notion is simply not as powerful as tensor notation. It may be helpful, though, to regard tensor vectors as matrix column vectors, and tensor one-forms as matrix row vectors. Then the the product of a row and column vector yields a scalar, which is what a vector and a one form written in tensor notation do.

Then the typical matrix is a linear map from a column vector to a column vector. You can also regard it as a map from a row vector to a row vector, though this is less common.

Maps from vectors to one forms, and one-forms to vectors exist in tensor notation (the metric tensor is one example of this). But it doesn't really have a direct ananlogy in matrix form, though the metric tensor ##g_{\mu\nu}## is sometimes written to appear as a matrix.
 

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