Given 3 sides of a triangle, compute interior angles and area

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The discussion revolves around calculating the interior angles and area of a triangle given its three sides. Participants explore various methods, including the Law of Cosines, the Law of Sines, and Heron's Formula, while addressing potential ambiguities and correctness in the calculations.

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  • The original poster (OP) presents a solution using the Law of Cosines and the Law of Sines to find angles B and C, and calculates the area using a cosine-based formula.
  • Some participants suggest that the OP's area calculation may be incorrect and propose using Heron's Formula as a more direct method, stating that it relies solely on the sides of the triangle.
  • One participant calculates the area using Heron's Formula and arrives at a value of approximately 7.3 m, indicating a potential discrepancy with the OP's area calculation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that using Heron's Formula provides an exact answer without relying on computed angles, which could introduce errors.
  • There is discussion about the ambiguity in the angle B calculation, where two possible values are mentioned, although some participants assert that there is no ambiguity in the context of the given triangle.

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Participants generally agree on the correctness of the angle calculations but disagree on the area calculation methods and results. Multiple competing views on the best approach to find the area remain unresolved.

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Some calculations depend on the precision of trigonometric functions and the interpretation of angles, which may lead to different results. The discussion highlights the importance of using formulas that directly relate to the given data.

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Just attempted another exam question. Would you mind correcting me if I am wrong?
The question is
A triangle ABC has sides of length AB= 3.5 m, BC = 5.1 m and AC = 4.2m.

a) Calculate the size of the angle B and the size of the angle C, in degrees correct to 1 decimal place, in each case.

b) Calculate the area of triangle ABC.

My solution

$$a^{2}=b^{2}+c^{2}-2bcCOSA$$

$$\therefore COSA=\frac{b^{2}+c^{2}-a^{2}}{2bc}$$

$$COSA=\frac{4.2^{2}+3.5^{2}-5^{2}}{2\cdot4.2\cdot3.5}$$

A$$=COS^{-1}(0.132)$$
A= 82.4

Sine Rule

$$\frac{sin(82.4)}{5.1}=\frac{SinB}{4.2}$$

SinB=$$\frac{sin(82.4)\cdot4.2}{5.1}$$

B=Sin$$^{-1}(0.816)

B=54.7$$

Now, 180-sin$$^{-1}(0.816)=125.3$$
So angle B can equal 54.7 or 125.3

Angle C

180-(82.4+54.7)=42.9<180
or
180-(82.4+125.3)=-27.6 (which cannot be possible)
$$\therefore$$C = 42.9 degrees

and, 42.9+82.4+54.7=180

Question b)
Area=$$\frac{1}{2}bccosC$$

$$\frac{1}{2}\cdot5.1\cdot4.2 \cdot cos(42.9)$$=7.8m

Hope you understand that, I put what you told me into practice and hopefully solved this question correctly.
 
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I have moved this post into a new thread...we ask that new questions not be tagged onto existing threads so that our threads don't become convoluted and hard to follow.

This is how I would work the problem:

First, we may use the Law of Cosines to find either angle B or C...I will find B first:

$$B=\arccos\left(\frac{3.5^2+5.1^2-4.2^2}{2\cdot3.5\cdot5.1}\right)=\arccos\left(\frac{1031}{1785}\right)\approx54.7^{\circ}$$

Next, use the Law of Sines to find angle C:

$$C=\arcsin\left(\frac{3.5\sin\left(\arccos\left(\dfrac{1031}{1785}\right)\right)}{4.2}\right)\approx42.9^{\circ}$$

There is no ambiguous case here, these are the only possible values.

Now, to find the area in square meters, we can use the formula:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}ab\sin(C)=\frac{1}{2}\cdot5.1\cdot4.2\cdot\frac{3.5\sin\left(\arccos\left(\dfrac{1031}{1785}\right)\right)}{4.2}=\frac{2}{25}\sqrt{8294}\approx7.3$$
 
MarkFL said:
I have moved this post into a new thread...we ask that new questions not be tagged onto existing threads so that our threads don't become convoluted and hard to follow.

This is how I would work the problem:

First, we may use the Law of Cosines to find either angle B or C...I will find B first:

$$B=\arccos\left(\frac{3.5^2+5.1^2-4.2^2}{2\cdot3.5\cdot5.1}\right)=\arccos\left(\frac{1031}{1785}\right)\approx54.7^{\circ}$$

Next, use the Law of Sines to find angle C:

$$C=\arcsin\left(\frac{3.5\sin\left(\arccos\left(\dfrac{1031}{1785}\right)\right)}{4.2}\right)\approx42.9^{\circ}$$

There is no ambiguous case here, these are the only possible values.

Now, to find the area in square meters, we can use the formula:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}ab\sin(C)=\frac{1}{2}\cdot5.1\cdot4.2\cdot\frac{3.5\sin\left(\arccos\left(\dfrac{1031}{1785}\right)\right)}{4.2}=\frac{2}{25}\sqrt{8294}\approx7.3$$

The OP already has all three sides of the triangle, so Heron's Formula will be the most direct and exact way to get the area in this case...
 
Prove It said:
The OP already has all three sides of the triangle, so Heron's Formula will be the most direct and exact way to get the area in this case...

Yep, that's another route one could take. :D
 
Prove It said:
The OP already has all three sides of the triangle, so Heron's Formula will be the most direct and exact way to get the area in this case...

Gotten the angles correct, however got the area wrong.

I used this formula, $$\sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}$$

Where s = $$\frac{a+b+c}{2}$$

$$\therefore s = \frac{5.1+4.2+3.5}{2}$$=6.4

$$\sqrt{6.4(6.4-5.1)(6.4-4.2)(6.4-3.5)}$$=7.28 $$\approx7.3m$$
 
mathsheadache said:
Gotten the angles correct, however got the area wrong.

I used this formula, $$\sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}$$

Where s = $$\frac{a+b+c}{2}$$

$$\therefore s = \frac{5.1+4.2+3.5}{2}$$=6.4

$$\sqrt{6.4(6.4-5.1)(6.4-4.2)(6.4-3.5)}$$=7.28 $$\approx7.3m$$
Why do you think it's wrong? It's pretty much the same as what Mark got...

Also, like I said, because you can keep the answer just as a surd (without any mention of angles), if you keep it in its surd form you will get the EXACT answer, not just a decimal...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sqrt{6.4 \left( 6.4 - 5.1 \right) \left( 6.4 -4.2 \right) \left( 6.4-3.5 \right) } &= \sqrt{ 53.0816} \\ &= \sqrt{\frac{33\,176}{625}} \\ &= \frac{2\,\sqrt{8294}}{25} \end{align*}$

This is the same exact answer Mark got...
 
Prove It said:
The OP already has all three sides of the triangle, so Heron's Formula will be the most direct and exact way to get the area in this case...

You actually make a good point here...it is preferable to use a formula that only relies on given data, not results we compute from this data. I wanted to show the OP that he was using an incorrect formula for the area.
 

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