Glide Ratio & Scale: Designing Gliders for Maximum Air Time/Distance

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The discussion focuses on the design of gliders aimed at achieving optimal lift-to-drag (L/D) ratios for maximum airtime and distance. Participants explore both full-size gliders and scale radio-controlled (R/C) models, considering factors such as aerodynamic principles, speed effects, and the potential use of powerplants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on achieving the best L/D ratio when designing gliders, questioning the impact of speed on this ratio and whether it is significant only down to stall speed.
  • Another participant notes that modern gliders typically achieve glide ratios around 40-50 and emphasizes the importance of flying at the correct speed for maximum glide efficiency, which varies with wind conditions.
  • Some participants suggest that while theoretical knowledge of aerodynamics is valuable, practical experience and heuristic knowledge are crucial for R/C glider performance.
  • There is a claim that aerodynamic behavior is influenced more by angle of attack and sideslip than by airspeed, challenging the notion that speed is a primary factor in determining the best L/D ratio.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between speed and L/D ratio, with some arguing that speed has minimal effect while others emphasize its significance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to designing gliders for optimal performance.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to consider various factors such as angle of attack, sideslip, and the potential integration of powerplants in their designs. There are references to aerodynamic principles that may not be universally agreed upon.

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Hi

I am looking into the design of gliders with good L/D / Glide Ratio.

It seems hard to find what is the most efficient full size glider, and the same goes to a scale r/c type one too.

So any ideas?

If i was to start from scratch, what should i be looking at to get the best l/d ratio possible?

The AIM is to get the most airtime and/or distance.

I read in a book that speed has little effect on the L/D ratio, is this true? If so, is this only true down to a certain speed, ie, stall speed?

Project needs to address to if the aircraft can be used with a powerplant.

Is the use of a glider for adaption to a low power, and long distance aircraft better than building an aircraft from scratch for this purpose?

My area of study is Mech Eng, but I want to get into Aero Engineering after graduation, and i have an interest in fluids and aviation in general, thus having an Aero themed project to try get some knowledge about Aero Engineering.
 
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Flying gliders but not R/C model I'm not sure what you ask. A modern glider has a glide ratio around 40-50 with the airspeed for maximum glide a bit above the speed for minimum sink rate, as calculated as the "tangent" from the glide polar [1]. The glide ratio do vary with speed, enough so that flying with the "correct" speed is significant in competition flights [2] and you would usually also correct for wind speed so that you fly a bit faster in head wind and a bit slower in tail wind.

I assume the performance of a R/C glider somehow can be transformed from the performance figures of a real size glider using the "standard" scale laws in aerodynamics, but I suspect "heuristic" knowledge about build and flying R/C models is far more important than general theoretical knowledge about aerodynamics.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_curve_(aviation)
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_to_fly
 
herpamad said:
Hi

I am looking into the design of gliders with good L/D / Glide Ratio.

It seems hard to find what is the most efficient full size glider, and the same goes to a scale r/c type one too.

So any ideas?

If i was to start from scratch, what should i be looking at to get the best l/d ratio possible?

The AIM is to get the most airtime and/or distance.

I read in a book that speed has little effect on the L/D ratio, is this true? If so, is this only true down to a certain speed, ie, stall speed?

Project needs to address to if the aircraft can be used with a powerplant.

Is the use of a glider for adaption to a low power, and long distance aircraft better than building an aircraft from scratch for this purpose?

My area of study is Mech Eng, but I want to get into Aero Engineering after graduation, and i have an interest in fluids and aviation in general, thus having an Aero themed project to try get some knowledge about Aero Engineering.

Any aerodynamic behavior of a vehicle is a function of its angle of attack and sideslip. Airspeed does not dictate best L/D ratio, angle of attack does.
 
Cyrus said:
Any aerodynamic behavior of a vehicle is a function of its angle of attack and sideslip. Airspeed does not dictate best L/D ratio, angle of attack does.

All i was wondering, thanks.
 

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