Global national-IQ map posted at Children of Millennium

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Children of Millennium has released a global map displaying national IQs, linked to an article discussing the credibility of these statistics. Concerns were raised about the methodology behind the IQ measurements, particularly referencing Richard Lynn's work, which some consider suspect and potentially biased. The discussion highlights the correlation between national IQs and academic performance, particularly in the context of American students' poor rankings in international assessments like TIMSS. Participants debated the implications of these findings, questioning the influence of environmental and genetic factors on IQ. The conversation also touched on the portrayal of intelligence and its societal implications, emphasizing the need for accurate and well-supported information.
  • #31
The g Factor on the web

Nereid said:
I will provide you a detailed list hitssquad ... when I can borrow the book again
Jensen's The g Factor is published in full-text on the web here...
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=24373874

...along with a buffet of 50,000 other social science books for $9USD per month. It is also available at amazon.com for £49.


The full text of Chapter 12 is available for free at Matt Nuenke's site:
http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/jen12.htm
 
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  • #32
useful factual information

Here is some useful factual information everyone should be aware of. Lynn and Vanhanen's book IQ and the Wealth of Nations was reviewed in 2004 by Contemporary Psychology, the most important review journal in the field of psychology. Here is the conclusion of the reviewers:

"In sum, we see an edifice built on layer upon layer of arbitrary assumptions and selective data manipulation. The data on which the entire book is based are of questionably validity and are used in ways that cannot be justified."

Contemporary Psychology 49.4 (2004); quote from page 389.

The reviewers spend several pages detailing the various flaws in IQ and the Wealth of Nations, from errors of fact (i.e., much of the IQ "data" reported is simply fabricated or distorted beyond recognition) to errors of interpretation. IQ and the Wealth of Nations is not a scientific work, and anyone citing "data" from IQ and the Wealth of Nations should be criticized, derided, ridiculed, and so forth, for spreading pseudo-scientific misinformation.
 
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Contemporary Psychology 49.4 and IQ data distortion

Waterdog said:
Contemporary Psychology 49.4 (2004)...

...in IQ and the Wealth of Nations ... much of the IQ "data" reported is simply fabricated or distorted beyond recognition
If you provide an example, instanced in that review article, of IQ-data fabrication or distortion, we might be able to profitably examine it here.
 
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Hitsquad,

You can find that information at www.doyourownresearch.com. Or go to the library and read the article in the periodicals room. For most people, it is not "profitable" to discuss a completely idiotic book. Only people who are ideologically committed to a certain point of view could take this book seriously. For the rest of us, it is enough to know that it has been thoroughly discredited. After all, we might just as well look into the details of books on phrenology or astrology and debate whether the claims made in those books are valid. We all have to make choices about how to spend our time. The authors of the review in Contemporary Pyschology generously gave some of their own time to the never-ending need to rebut pseudo-science. To the extent that people such as yourself and a small number of others continue to post misleading (and racist) pseudo-science on discussion boards such as this, it remains necessary for some public spirited individuals to spend a little time writing responses that indicate to reasonable, objective readers that this stuff is not to be taken seriously. But we don't need to take it farther than that. I'm not going to waste time and cyberspace with silly discussions about whether doo-doo stinks or not. Again, anyone can go to the review in Contemporary Psychology and draw their own conclusions about the odors emanating from IQ and the Wealth of Nations. It's in the library.
 
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Waterdog, you should have stopped your post after the first sentence; all that personal rant contributes nothing to the discussion. I am no fan of Lynne's book myself but to call it pseudoscience like phrenology is just an insult to the intelligent and well informed peple who have been discussing it.
 
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Im personally FROM South korea, but i don't agree with what is said. (especially about south korea)
 
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One thing has always puzzled me when IQ or "g" are being discussed.

When comparing largely isolated breeding populations that display clear differences in numerous genetically influenced factors I would find it incredible if measures of intelligence (geneticaly influenced?) were to give identical distributions about the same mean for all such isolated populations.
If ones accepts evolutionary theory, isn't it the case that we are seeing the very beginnings of speciation, and that increasing differences in many characteristics including intelligence (however defined or measured) are to be expected.

So why do some people get so very upset? Is it that the acceptance of genetic changes predicted by current theory clash with some peoples ideological desire for equality.
 
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understanding and accepting reality

timken said:
One thing has always puzzled me when IQ or "g" are being discussed.

When comparing largely isolated breeding populations that display clear differences in numerous genetically influenced factors I would find it incredible if measures of intelligence (geneticaly influenced?) were to give identical distributions about the same mean for all such isolated populations.
You are correct. Intelligence varies between population groups and is primarily determined by genetics. The means between groups differ as to the components of intelligence. This also applies to differences between the sexes. It happens that the structural difference between Mongoloid and Caucasoid intelligence is similar to the differences seen between the sexes.
{Mongoloids and males have higher spatial abilities, lower verbal abilities, and slightly higher means.}

If ones accepts evolutionary theory, isn't it the case that we are seeing the very beginnings of speciation, and that increasing differences in many characteristics including intelligence (however defined or measured) are to be expected.
Human races are subspecies. Presumably other human species, such as Neanderthal, have become extinct.

So why do some people get so very upset?
That is an excellent question. The answer probably has at least two parts. One is ignorance. People do not accept things that they do not understand. The other is political correctness. The liberal left has been pressing a PC agenda, which focuses on things that are scientifically absurd. They apparently are motivated by the single factor that there is a large difference in intelligence between Negroids and the other two major races. It has never been of concern to them that there are differences in intelligence between a number of population groups, including Ashkenazi Jews, European whites, Latinos, American Indians, and sub-Saharan Africans. It would be inane to expect a different reality.

Is it that the acceptance of genetic changes predicted by current theory clash with some peoples ideological desire for equality.
Yes, but only as it applies to intelligence. Other biological differences are accepted as facts and are not included in the PC police book. Intelligence is a problem because it has a huge impact on the statistical life success of any group. It relates to learning rate, academic performance, the thresholds for cognitively challenging careers, job performance, health, and lifespan.
 

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