Global Warming Alarm Sparks Controversy After Scientific Blunder

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The discussion revolves around a recent scientific error reported by NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) regarding global temperature records, particularly the claim that October was the hottest on record. Participants explore the implications of this blunder for the broader debate on global warming, sharing personal observations and data related to temperature trends in Argentina.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the integrity of the temperature records maintained by GISS, suggesting that the error raises questions about the reliability of the data used to support claims of global warming.
  • One participant shares a personal experience of extreme heat in Córdoba, Argentina, noting a record high temperature, while another counters with local data indicating that November was cooler than average in the same region.
  • Concerns are raised about the management of GISS, with suggestions that either incompetence or malice could explain the reported error, leading to calls for a change in leadership and oversight.
  • A participant highlights the distinction between short-term weather events and long-term climate trends, arguing that a single heat wave should not be conflated with climate change.
  • Another participant discusses a specific instance of data manipulation by GISS, claiming that incorrect data was used in a temperature graph, which they argue misrepresents actual climate conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of the reported error, the reliability of temperature data, and the interpretation of local weather patterns versus climate trends.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the accuracy of temperature records, the definitions of climate versus weather, and the potential for data errors in historical climate databases.

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All we can do is cry if we see this:

" A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record. "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml
 
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Well at least they know they made a mistake!
By the way I live in Córdoba, Argentina and 2 days ago (Thursday, 27th of november) we had the hottest day in the last 50 years (more than 40°C) and summer hasn't started yet. That's what I've heard on TV.
 
The other day Art did a similar observation in another thread here:

Art said:
This whole debate on climate change is degenerating into farce.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml

These people were either deliberately lying or were grossly incompetent. One now wonders how many other 'errors' there are in the GISS historical database which were insuffuciently large to attract investigation?

Either way, whether the error was malicious or accidental, it shows the management to be fools. Fools if they thought a lie of such magnitude would get by the rest of the scientific community and fools for not questioning their conclusions when common sense should have sent alarm bells ringing. What it does show is they need a management clearout and some real independent scientists given the job of record keeping at NASA.

I think that such an error is perfectly explainable given the mindset shown here. It will be food for a new generation of sociologists, but that's not Earth science of course.
 
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fluidistic said:
Well at least they know they made a mistake!
By the way I live in Córdoba, Argentina and 2 days ago (Thursday, 27th of november) we had the hottest day in the last 50 years (more than 40°C) and summer hasn't started yet. That's what I've heard on TV.
I also live in Córdoba, Argentina, and the Month of November actually was cooler than average with 23,94ºC in the big city, while 36 km south in Alta Gracia (rural station) the average was 19,4ºC .

The progression in temperatures in Córdoba (heat island) is this:

Nov 24: 29,70
Nov 25: 35,80
Nov 26: 33,30
Nov.27: 40,20
Nov 28: 33,60
Nov 29: 25,20
Nov 30: 26,00
Dec 1: 24,20
Dec 2: 26,50
Dec 3: 25,90

And now, at 1:25 pm we have: 26ºC. We must not confuse weather with climate. A “one-day” heat wave is ridiculous.

BTW, the highest temperature recorded in Córdoba is 45ºC in January 15, 1955.

January 7th, 2008 maximum (39.9ºC) was the highest for the year until Nov 27th. We had three cooler than average summers (and years too) in the last three years. Actually, the Córdoba and central Argentina area has been cooling since 1987. The following chart is from Pilar (rural station 40 km southwest of Córdoba), according to GISS:

Pilar1987-2008.jpg
 
The graph above for Pilar station shows a warm year 2006. That’s was caused by a blooper made by GISS and our SMN (National Weather Service) that sent a wrong set of data with missing months. They replaced the actual data with a strange "average" from previous years, but it is plain wrong. This graph shows how it should look in the real world.

Pilar-2006.jpg
 
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