Good Physics Books: Quantum Evolution by Johnjoe McFadden

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for physics books, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics (QM). Participants explore the prerequisites for studying QM and the appropriate level of mathematical and physics knowledge required. The conversation includes suggestions for foundational texts and addresses the background of a younger participant interested in advancing their understanding of physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a sequence of advanced texts for a deep understanding of QM, emphasizing the need for a solid foundation in mathematics and classical physics.
  • Another participant stresses the importance of mastering calculus and differential equations before tackling QM, along with familiarity in classical mechanics and electromagnetism.
  • Some participants express concern about the younger participant's readiness for QM, suggesting that foundational knowledge is crucial.
  • There is a discussion about the potential of Susskind's books to bridge gaps for students with less than optimal preparation.
  • A participant shares their personal journey in physics, highlighting their advanced math skills but limited formal physics education, which raises questions about their readiness for more complex topics.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a strong background in classical mechanics and electromagnetism before progressing to QM, suggesting that these subjects are more enjoyable and challenging at the textbook level.
  • Recommendations for introductory calculus texts and the Feynman Lectures are made as preparatory steps before approaching QM.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of a strong mathematical and physics foundation before studying QM. However, there are differing opinions on the best resources and approaches to achieve this understanding, as well as the readiness of the younger participant for advanced topics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the younger participant's specific knowledge in math and physics, which complicates the recommendations. The discussion reflects varying levels of experience and preparedness among participants, which may influence the suggested resources.

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This discussion may be useful for students seeking guidance on foundational physics and mathematics resources, particularly those interested in quantum mechanics and advanced topics in physics.

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What are some good books I could get that cover good physics. Quantum and the others, I have Quantum Evolution by Johnjoe McFadden, if that helps
 
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Thanks Bill, I'll check those out
 
I hope your math and physics foundations are sound. If not, you'll need to work on those first.

You'll need to have mastered calculus I, II, III and differential equations before seriously going into QM. A knowledge of LA would be really handy too.

For the physics side, you'll need to be familiar with classical mechanics and E&M.

If you don't meet these prereqs, then don't even bother with QM.
 
micromass said:
If you don't meet these prereqs, then don't even bother with QM.

I know the feeling.

But I do believe Susskinds books have filled a gap so that the serious student with less than optimal preparation can, with effort and determination, make progress.

Thanks
Bill
 
bhobba said:
I know the feeling.

But I do believe Susskinds books have filled a gap so that the serious student with less than optimal preparation can, with effort and determination, make progress.

Thanks
Bill

Sure, Susskind if very good. But I do hope you realize that the OP is 14 years old: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=742487
 
Thanks for pointing that out. I am 14 but I am advanced in Math and Science classes and skipped 9th grade classes and went to 10th. If that helps, what should I read?
 
The12thDoctor said:
Thanks for pointing that out. I am 14 but I am advanced in Math and Science classes and skipped 9th grade classes and went to 10th. If that helps, what should I read?

That doesn't tell us a lot, really. Can you tell us specifically what math and physics you know and what you are learning now?
 
In Math, I'm learning some calculus ( pre), in science is where there is an issue. You see, my school doesn't have an advanced physics class, we have advanced Bio. I'm in AP Bio, so my knowledge in Physics is from Seniors I know that are becoming Physicists. I've been reading physics stuff for a while now, and I've gone from Classical to Astro, and so on. But when I finally got to Quantum, I read everything I could get my hands on about it. So that's where I am know. I hope you understand I'm being really serious about this kind of stuff, I wouldn't want anyone to think I was just some kid who wanted homework help.
 
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I've been into physics since 5th grade, but until this year I never was in contact with a physicist. I should have worded that better
 
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If I asked you to calculate the magnetic vector potential and magnetic field of a uniformly rotating charged sphere would you be able to do it?
 
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Yes Newton
 
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I think what everyone is getting at is that if you want to read "popular science" books on Quantum Physics, then you are most likely at a level where you could begin to understand some of the qualitative aspects of the theory. However, if you want to actually be able to do computation, you need more math and physics, period.

From the math side, you need Calculus 1, 2, and 3, Ordinary Differential Equations, and Linear Algebra. For physics, I would at minimum recommend having classical mechanics and electromagnetism at the AP level (which is equivalent to college freshman level physics).

There are a range of books and methods to learn these topics (Khan Academy at least touches on all of them), but without the proper background, you will be lost with a real QM textbook.
 
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Thanks, what books should I look into getting then
 
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Yep. I wanted to learn QM. Then I realized that I knew almost nothing about physics. Now I'm satisfied with my classical mechanics and electromagnetism, as well as on my pre-calc.

Posting to find this thread later to see what people recommend for calculus, maths, etc.
 
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The12thDoctor said:
Thanks, what books should I look into getting then

At what level have you studied classical mechanics and EM? If you can calculate the magnetic vector potential of a charged rotating sphere I assume you've done EM at least at the level of Griffiths. Have you seen boundary value problems? Do you know how to work with special functions (spherical harmonics, Legendre polynomials, Bessel functions etc.)?

Don't rush into QM. You should spend as much time as possible with classical mechanics and EM, especially EM. There's no incentive to rush through EM anyways; in my opinion it (EM) is a lot more fun to learn than QM and a lot more challenging at the textbook level.
 
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If you are really serious then start with a book that will bring you up to speed on calculus:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0471827223/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I taught myself calculus at 14 and some advanced schools teach their good students calculus at that age.

Once you have done that then look into the Feynman Lectures:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465023827/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Anyone with an interest in physics should have that three volume set.

Once you have gone through that you will be well and truly prepared for the sequence I outlined on QM.

Thanks
Bill
 
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Thanks
 

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