Government Adviser: IQ Tests Best for University Selection

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the proposal by a government adviser to use IQ tests for university admissions, suggesting that these tests may be more reliable than A-levels in predicting student success. The conversation explores implications for working-class students and the broader educational system, touching on themes of equity, access, and the business nature of universities.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that IQ tests could provide a fair opportunity for working-class students who may not perform well on A-levels due to systemic disadvantages.
  • Others contend that universities prioritize profit and may resist implementing IQ tests as it could reduce their applicant pool.
  • A participant suggests that universities already have a surplus of applicants and that standardized tests like SATs are effective predictors of college performance.
  • Another viewpoint highlights that the focus on elite college admissions overlooks the broader issue of job security and quality of life for graduates.
  • Some participants discuss the success of individuals without elite education, suggesting that a degree does not guarantee financial stability or job security.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of restricting college access based on IQ, questioning who would fill less academically rigorous majors if only high-IQ students are admitted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the use of IQ tests for university admissions, with no consensus reached on the effectiveness or implications of such a policy.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions about the relationship between education, socioeconomic status, and job security, with participants drawing on personal experiences and broader societal observations.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in educational policy, university admissions processes, socioeconomic factors in education, and the implications of standardized testing may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
Hold up. Who's to say you're smarter than anybody? Who's to say that I'm smarter than anybody?

Nobody! That was very rude of you to say. It doesn't matter if you know more than everyone in this forum or not. Why are we getting so off subject in here?

No, don't say you're smarter than anybody. For all you know, you could be telling a lie. I'll tell you right now that obviously some of us are smarter than you, since we're not rude enough to claim that we're better.

You shouldn't put yourself down like that.
 
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  • #32
Yes, many have told me that I'm a rude individual; I understand that many find this distressing. But IQ test scores and a background in psychology together provide the basis for my judgment on who is smarter than whom.

Consider this analogy - laymen might be tempted to say that we can't state whether the Sun or the moon is farther away from the Earth because we can't tell by just looking. But men of science have known for thousands of years, and the question can be rather easily resolved with the application of simple physics. Admittedly I can't be sure about this, but this uncertainty is largely a pedantic detail, since we can't be sure of anything and must always rely on the best information available in making judgments. So I'm sorry if you can't tell when one person is smarter than another, but I can.

If you think this discussion has veered off topic, and if that bothers you, why don't you address the original subject?


--Mark
 
  • #33
Originally posted by Nachtwolf
Consider this analogy - laymen might be tempted to say that we can't state whether the Sun or the moon is farther away from the Earth because we can't tell by just looking. ... So I'm sorry if you can't tell when one person is smarter than another, but I can.

So you're saying that you can tell one person is smarter than another just by looking at them? talking to them? But how do you know unless you ask their IQ and take the same test as they do?

The point of the matter is everyone deserves what they earn. That's already been said. And I do agree that if someone is positively unable to ensure themselves a decent education, then one should not be offered. It's a waste. I think that's what we both agree on.
 

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