GPE Between the Moon and the Earth?

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The discussion revolves around calculating gravitational potential energy (GPE) between the Earth and the Moon, focusing on the appropriate methods for such calculations at larger distances.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the use of the formula mgh for GPE near the Earth's surface and question its applicability at greater distances. There is discussion on the need for Newton's expression for gravitational potential in the Earth-Moon system. Some participants attempt to clarify the relationship between gravitational energy and distance, while others express uncertainty about their calculations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the limitations of using mgh for the Earth-Moon system and suggesting alternative approaches. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the calculations involved, particularly concerning the correct application of gravitational potential energy formulas.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of gravitational calculations, with some expressing fatigue and a desire to conclude their thoughts. There is a noted confusion regarding the use of distance in the gravitational potential energy formula.

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How to determine GPE between moon and earth?

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mgh

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I know that gpe near Earth's surface is mgh, but at larger distances is there a specific way to calculate?
 
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You can only use mgh when your gravitational field can be well approximated by a homogeneous one. This is not the case for the Earth-Moon system. You need to use Newton’s expression for the gravitational potential.
 
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Orodruin said:
You can only use mgh when your gravitational field can be well approximated by a homogeneous one. This is not the case for the Earth-Moon system. You need to use Newton’s expression for the gravitational potential.
so -(GMm/R^2) = Gravitational energy
so i will need the R to be sqrt(x^2+y^2) with the Earth centered at 0,0
Energy mechaninc will be the kinetic from the moon plus the gravitational energy at each time dt
also the velocity will be sqrt(x^2+y^2)
 
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I have my Earth at 0,0 so the kinetic energy from Earth is 0, kinetic energy of moon is .5mv^2 and potential energy is -GMm/R^2 and that is all of the energies i can think of. do those energy values look about right? id love to go to sleep so tired
 

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isukatphysics69 said:
so -(GMm/R^2) = Gravitational energy
No, you don't square the R in the denominator when calculating gravitational PE. When you do square it you're calculating the gravitational force instead (Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation).
 
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