Gradient (Electrochemical, proton, ion, etc)

Click For Summary
The discussion clarifies the concept of "gradient" in the context of cellular respiration, emphasizing that a gradient refers to a difference in concentration, charge, or osmotic pressure between two points, rather than the space itself. It explains that gradients can occur across membranes, highlighting the importance of specifying the points between which the gradient exists. An electrochemical gradient encompasses charge, concentration, and osmotic gradients, illustrating how variations in proton concentration can create multiple types of gradients simultaneously. This understanding aids in grasping the fundamental principles of cellular processes.
ldv1452
Messages
69
Reaction score
0
I just started learning about cellular respiration and I'm not clear as to what the word "gradient" means. I see it tied to many terms such as electrochemical gradient, proton gradient and ion gradient. Is a gradient just a space or "field" with varying concentrations of something (protons, ions, etc)??
 
Biology news on Phys.org
In the most general sense, it just means there's a change. In this case you can have a charge gradient or osmotic gradient or concentration gradient, or all.

A gradient isn't the space itself, just the fact that there's a difference. You have to specify the points between which there's a gradient, e.g. "a gradient across the membrane" (most typically), meaning it's not the same on both sides.

An electrochemical gradient can consist of all the above. E.g. if you have more protons on one side than on the other (all else being equal), you have a charge gradient, since they're ions, a concentration gradient since you have different concentrations (i.e. even if they didn't carry a charge, there would be potential energy from the concentration difference), and an osmotic gradient, since you have a difference in ionic strength (i.e. if you had counterions for every proton, negating the charge gradient, you'd have more dissolved salt on one side, and so osmotic pressure). Obviously these aren't necessarily independent of each other.
 
alxm said:
In the most general sense, it just means there's a change. In this case you can have a charge gradient or osmotic gradient or concentration gradient, or all.

A gradient isn't the space itself, just the fact that there's a difference. You have to specify the points between which there's a gradient, e.g. "a gradient across the membrane" (most typically), meaning it's not the same on both sides.

An electrochemical gradient can consist of all the above. E.g. if you have more protons on one side than on the other (all else being equal), you have a charge gradient, since they're ions, a concentration gradient since you have different concentrations (i.e. even if they didn't carry a charge, there would be potential energy from the concentration difference), and an osmotic gradient, since you have a difference in ionic strength (i.e. if you had counterions for every proton, negating the charge gradient, you'd have more dissolved salt on one side, and so osmotic pressure). Obviously these aren't necessarily independent of each other.

Thank you. This finally makes a lot more sense to me.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
10K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
342
Replies
2
Views
14K
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K