Gradient vectors and level surfaces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between gradient vectors, level surfaces, and tangent planes, exploring how these concepts interact in the context of multivariable calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the gradient vector is orthogonal to the level surface at a point p.
  • One participant questions whether the gradient vector is also orthogonal to the tangent vector at that point, seeking clarification on the relationship between the tangent vector and the level surface.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical explanation, indicating that if a function w is held constant, it defines a level surface, and through differentiation, it can be shown that the gradient of the function is orthogonal to the tangent vector.
  • One participant states that the tangent vector lies within the level surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the gradient vector is orthogonal to the level surface, but there is uncertainty regarding the relationship between the gradient vector and the tangent vector, with differing views on whether the tangent vector is orthogonal to the gradient or lies within the level surface.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of gradient vectors and tangent vectors, as well as the conditions under which these relationships hold. Some mathematical steps and implications remain unresolved.

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I know that the gradient vector is orthogonal to the level surface at some point p, but is the gradient vector also orthogonal to the tangent vector at that point? Or is there some other relationship between the tangent vector and level surface?
Homework Statement:: Wondering about the relationship between gradient vectors, level surfaces and tangent planes
Relevant Equations:: .

I know that the gradient vector is orthogonal to the level surface at some point p, but is the gradient vector also orthogonal to the tangent vector at that point? Or is there some other relationship between the tangent vector and level surface?
 
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I know that the gradient vector is orthogonal to the level surface at some point p, but is the gradient vector also orthogonal to the tangent vector at that point? Or is there some other relationship between the tangent vector and level surface?
 
Haku said:
Homework Statement:: Wondering about the relationship between gradient vectors, level surfaces and tangent planes
Relevant Equations:: no equations

I know that the gradient vector is orthogonal to the level surface at some point p, but is the gradient vector also orthogonal to the tangent vector at that point?
Yes.
Consider ##w = f(x(t), y(t), z(t))##.
If w is held constant, you get a level surface.
Differentiation with respect to t yields ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} \frac{dx}{dt} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y} \frac{dy}{dt} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial z} \frac{dz}{dt} = 0##
The above can be rewritten as ##\nabla f \cdot \vec{\dot x} = 0##, which shows that the gradient of f is orthogonal to the tangent vector. Here ##\vec{\dot x}## is the vector ##(\frac{dx}{dt}, \frac{dy}{dt}, \frac{dz}{dt})##.
Haku said:
Or is there some other relationship between the tangent vector and level surface?
 
The tangent vector in in the level surface.
 

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