Graduate School for Engineering

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision of whether to attend graduate school for engineering immediately after completing an undergraduate degree or to gain work experience first. Participants explore the implications of each choice on career prospects, research opportunities, and personal preferences.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express enthusiasm for attending graduate school immediately, citing benefits such as full funding opportunities and the potential for better career prospects.
  • Others argue that gaining work experience before pursuing a graduate degree allows for exploration of interests and a higher initial salary.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of research opportunities available in graduate programs, suggesting that those who delay may miss out on valuable research experiences.
  • Concerns are raised about the lifestyle adjustments that come with a job, which may make returning to school more challenging later on.
  • Questions arise regarding the expectations of universities for Research Masters students, particularly whether they are expected to pursue a PhD afterward.
  • There is a discussion about the perceived value of a Master's degree versus a PhD in the job market, with some participants asserting that a PhD is necessary for certain research and development positions.
  • One participant shares their intention to pursue a Master's degree first, followed by work experience to better understand their research interests before committing to further education.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether to attend graduate school immediately or after gaining work experience. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the benefits and drawbacks of each path.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of concern about the implications of their choices on future career paths, research interests, and financial considerations. The discussion reflects personal experiences and subjective opinions rather than established norms.

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I really have no doubt that I will attend graduate school some time or another in my life. My question is about the choice of attending it straight out of undergrad, or after having worked for a few years.

I am on a co-op term, and I will return to my 4th year at a Canadian university this september. I will be faced with the decision soon enough.

Things going on in my head
Grad School pro:
1.More school! Yay!
2.prospects of ending up with a better career!
3.full funding, only condition being acceptance, and possible scholarship if my grades are high enough
4. Finish my Graduate degree earlier

Straight to Workforce pro:
1. Break from School!
2. Chance to explore fields of interest
3. Salary will be significantly higher than graduate school funding
4. boring job (most likely)


What other pros to each side should I consider?
Care to provide any life examples?

Thanks.
 
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One thing that pushed me was the research. When many people get their masters later in life, they do it while working a job. So, they end up doing the class-only option which excludes (for the most part) any type of research.

The research was what I really wanted to do, so that's why I went straight in after undergrad.
 
It is best to do it straight out of school at least for a Masters.

You have to realize this when you get a Masters you will most likely get a better salary earlier on in your career. If you calculate how much this ends up at accumulatively at the end of your career then it could be in the 100,000's.

Plus ones you have a job you will adapt a lifestyle conform to your salary. It will be very hard to go back and give that up for school again.
 
Is there a general expectation from the university for Research Masters student to go into PhD when they finish their masters? At any rate I guess they can't force me to stay.

Thanks for your tips, It does seem like the general consensus is to go straight into grad school. Especially when it comes to getting reference letters.

I thought of a new question to ask. Is there a significant difference in perceived value between a Masters and a PhD when employers are looking at new hires?

Reason why I as is that I've seen research positions that ask "Masters OR PhD" as if they don't see much difference between the two.
 
There IS a huge difference do. Although not all jobs require a PhD, for some either or will do. A PhD will allow you to do more R&D type work either at a big business (GE, Rolls Royce, GM etc) or at any of our national labs (Lawrence Livermore, Argonne, GPL ..etc). Now a Masters will not be sufficient for these jobs (typically).
Now, in my personal opinion, a PhD should not purely be done as a career move but also should be coming from a passion for the topic.
 
yea, you are right, That is one of the things I am worried about when choosing area of research in grad school. I may like the sound of a research area, but once I get into it, I may not like it.

I think I will go for a masters first, and go out into the work place, try to find out about hot and interesting research fields, and If I decide I want to dedicate my life to a certain field, then I will go to grad school

thanks again for your advice.
 

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