Graduate student relationship with supervisor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experiences of graduate students in their relationships with supervisors, particularly focusing on supervision quality, knowledge gaps, and the challenges of conducting original research. Participants share personal anecdotes and reflections on their academic journeys, highlighting both positive and negative aspects of their supervisory experiences.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their supervisor set the general topic but allowed them to determine the direction, which was agreed upon early in the process.
  • Another participant expresses frustration over having to correct their supervisor's misconceptions and gaps in knowledge, indicating a lack of support in certain areas of study.
  • It is mentioned that the participant had to independently acquire knowledge, as there were no relevant graduate-level courses available in their department.
  • Some participants reflect on the loneliness of pursuing a specialized topic in graduate school, with one noting the challenge of being in a multidisciplinary environment.
  • One participant shares a contrasting experience, stating that their supervisor appears to be highly knowledgeable and supportive, suggesting that experiences can vary widely.
  • Another participant recounts their own struggles with dead-ends in research and the pressure to produce publishable results, indicating that this is a common experience among graduate students.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that encountering dead-ends and the need for self-directed learning are common in graduate studies. However, there are differing perspectives on the level of support and knowledge provided by supervisors, indicating a lack of consensus on the supervisory experience.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the absence of formal training in their specific research areas, which may contribute to the challenges faced. Additionally, the discussion reflects varying levels of supervisor engagement and expertise, suggesting that experiences can differ significantly based on individual circumstances.

Who May Find This Useful

Graduate students, prospective Ph.D. candidates, and academic advisors may find this discussion relevant as it provides insights into the complexities of student-supervisor relationships and the challenges of independent research.

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I'm graduating soon and as part of the university's requirements, I have to leave feedback regarding my supervisor's supervision of me.

I hope to leave feedback that is fair and constructive, so would like to hear your comments about my experience.

(1) When I enrolled, I took up my supervisor's project proposal, who set the general topic but left me alone to set the direction. Nevertheless this was settled fairly quickly with agreement from both parties.

(2) Through the course, I had to clear many of their misconceptions and gaps in their understanding & basic knowledge in certain fields. Like they say, "I'm sorry I don't know much about this" and I'm left stumped because the subject in question is part and parcel of such a field.

(3) I found this particularly challenging because I had to pick up almost all the knowledge myself - there wasn't a single graduate-level course in my department that helped. kinda like a multidisplinary project.

(4) Needless to say, I was led on many dead-ends, and I went through some dead-ends on my own.

(5) However they did give me excellent feedback on my communication skills.

Comments welcome!
 
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Items 2-4 are pretty typical of the experience of most Ph.D. students, I think. Item 2 is the reason why professors hire graduate students instead of doing all of the research themselves, and item 3 & 4 are pretty much the nature of original research.
 
great, thanks so much!
 
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Upon entering grad school I got the following advice from a friendly post-doc:
"By the time you finish, you will be the world's expert on whatever little slice of physics you choose to study. It's lonely because there will be very few people who care about, let alone know about, your specialized topic. But it's the greatest experience there is."
 
yes, it was particularly lonely for me because the rest of the people in my lab were pure engineering grad students, while i had one foot in physics. not to mention that I had to develop my own computational tools, while the rest of them had commercial Finite Element Software to use. no prizes for guessing who is the longest-serving grad student there now :)

I guess what i found most challenging was that in order to communicate all these technical stuff, I had to first learn them and know them to some depth. Being one foot in physics without a formal physics background (mine's in engineering) added to the challenge.
 
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Personally, I haven't found anything my professor doesn't know yet. I'm sure there are lots he doesn't know, but he seems to know his field through and through and more! Which is awesome.

I would guess heading into dead-ends is normal (I start next year) and that you will need to learn stuff on your own even if your prof. knows about it. Your supervisor won't have the time to teach you everything he knows.
 
For the first two years of my studies I had all sorts of dead-ends. All my supervisor could say was "I can't publish all these negative results". After that it took a bit of luck to keep him happy on that respect (ie. publishing papers) as I managed to find something else to do that could give good results while I sorted out the first issue.
 

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