Gravitational Constant (universal)

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational constant (G) and its application within the context of Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. Participants seek clarification on the units associated with G and how to apply this constant in calculations, with a focus on understanding the relationships between mass, force, and distance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a detailed explanation of the gravitational constant and its application in calculations.
  • Another participant explains that G is derived from the equation F=GmM/r^2, detailing the roles of F, m, M, and r.
  • There is a discussion about the units of G, with one participant stating that G's units can be expressed as N m^2/kg^2, while another later corrects this to N m^3/kg^2.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the notation and the meaning of the variables m and M, questioning whether they refer to the masses of the two objects involved.
  • A younger participant expresses frustration at the complexity of the explanations provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of the units of G, and there is confusion regarding the notation used in the equations. The discussion remains unresolved with differing views on the clarity of the explanations.

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There are limitations in the clarity of the explanations provided, particularly regarding the notation and the relationships between the variables in the gravitational equation. Some assumptions about the participants' background knowledge may not hold true.

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I was looking at the gravitation constant and I didnt understand the parts of it with kg, and seconds. Could someone please explain in detail how to use this constant and give an example of some calculations?

Thanks
 
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Assuming you don't want General Relativity, then G comes from the Newtonian Law of Universal Gravitation, which is

F=GmM/r^2

Where F is the gravitational force, m is the mass of one object, M is the mass of the other usually larger object, and r is the distance between the centre of masses of the two objects.

We know F has units of Newtons, which can be written as kg m/s^2
We know the units of m, M and r, so we can write G's units as N m^2/kg^2 by rearranging the above equation for G.
 
Vagn said:
Assuming you don't want General Relativity, then G comes from the Newtonian Law of Universal Gravitation, which is

F=GmM/r^2

Where F is the gravitational force, m is the mass of one object, M is the mass of the other usually larger object, and r is the distance between the centre of masses of the two objects.

We know F has units of Newtons, which can be written as kg m/s^2
We know the units of m, M and r, so we can write G's units as N m^2/kg^2 by rearranging the above equation for G.

so in the rearranged version would the kg be the kiliagrams of the second object and would the first m be the number of kg of the first object? so would it be N=m^2/kg^2?
 
It's had to understand what you are asking. The "m" and "M" are the masses of the two objects. It doesn't matter which you call the "first object" and which the second. Where VAgn writes "N m^2/Kg^2" is neither the "m" nor the "M" in the original equation- it stands for "meters". And I hope that "=" in "N= m^2/kg^2" was a typo. What he wrote was "N m^3/kg^2. That is, that the units of G are "Newton-meters squared per kilogram squared".
 
HallsofIvy said:
It's had to understand what you are asking. The "m" and "M" are the masses of the two objects. It doesn't matter which you call the "first object" and which the second. Where VAgn writes "N m^2/Kg^2" is neither the "m" nor the "M" in the original equation- it stands for "meters". And I hope that "=" in "N= m^2/kg^2" was a typo. What he wrote was "N m^3/kg^2. That is, that the units of G are "Newton-meters squared per kilogram squared".

dude...im thirteen I have no idea what the **** you just said
 

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