Gravitational difference between a black hole and a star

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences in gravitational effects between stellar-mass black holes and stellar-mass stars, particularly focusing on why a black hole can trap light while a star cannot. The conversation includes elements of classical Newtonian gravity and the implications of density and size on gravitational strength.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a stellar-mass black hole has the ability to trap light while a stellar-mass star does not.
  • Another participant introduces Newtonian gravity, referencing the formula ##F=Gm/r^2## to explain gravitational strength at a distance from a mass.
  • A participant interprets the formula to suggest that a smaller, denser object (like a black hole) has a stronger gravitational force at its surface compared to a larger object of the same mass.
  • Further clarification is provided that while the gravitational field is stronger at the surface of a smaller object, the terminology used to describe this strength may lead to different interpretations among individuals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of gravitational strength and its implications, indicating that there is no consensus on the terminology and conceptual understanding of "stronger gravity." The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise implications of density and size on gravitational effects.

Contextual Notes

The discussion relies on classical Newtonian principles and does not delve into relativistic effects or the specific conditions under which black holes operate, leaving some assumptions and definitions unaddressed.

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How come the gravity of a stellar- mass black hole is strong enough to trap light but the gravity of a stellar-mass star (eg the sun) is not strong enough to trap light ?
 
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This question is easier to think about if you start with ordinary classical Newtonian gravity: ##F=Gm/r^2## is the formula for the strength of the gravitational field at a distance ##r## from the center of a spherical object (like a star) with mass ##m##. So if we have two objects with the same mass, but one of them is much denser (so is much smaller) than the other, what does that tell us about the strength of the gravitational force at the surface?
 
Thankyou Nugatory. I think that your marvellous formula tells me that the strength of the gravitational force is greater at the surface of the smaller object compared to a larger object with the same mass.

Doesn't that mean that the smaller object has stronger gravity ?
 
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Doesn't that mean that the smaller object has stronger gravity ?
It means that the gravitational field is stronger at the surface of the smaller object, because the surface is closer to the center.

You can attach the words "the smaller object has stronger gravity" to this fact if you want, but not everyone is going to understand those words the same way. The math is precise and unambiguous, and that's part of why mathematics is the language of physics.
 

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