Gravitational Force homework Question

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The problem involves gravitational forces in a system of spheres arranged in an equilateral triangle. The original poster seeks to determine the mass of one sphere (M) in relation to the others (m) under the condition that the net gravitational force on a central sphere is zero. Additionally, they inquire about the effect of doubling the mass of one of the spheres on the net gravitational force.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various expressions for M in terms of m, with some suggesting M = sqrt(2)m and others proposing M = m sqrt(3). There is a focus on verifying these relationships and the underlying calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their work and diagrams to clarify their reasoning. There is an active exploration of the angles in the equilateral triangle and their implications for the gravitational force calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their angles and calculations, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants note potential discrepancies in the provided worksheet answers and the need for confirmation of their calculations. There is also mention of difficulties in visualizing the problem due to software limitations on the original poster's computer.

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Homework Statement



AS seen in the figure, two spheres of mass m and a third sphere of mass M form a equilateral triangle. The net gravitational force on the central sphere from the three other spheres is zero. (a) What is M in terms of m? (b) If we double the value of m4, what then is the magnitude of the net gravitational force on the central sphere?

My apologies I am on one of my universities computers that has all the programs like locked up and it's a mac, and I'm not that familiar with macs to begin with, so my only option at the moment is to describe the picture...

Picture a equilateral triangle... at one vertex picture a sphere that is larger than the rest with a mass M. At the other two vertexes of the triangle picture a sphere that is smaller than the one of mass M that each of masses m. At the center of the triangle picture a sphere of mass m4...

Imagine a equilateral triangle with this orientation
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Where the sphere of mass M is at the top most vertex of the triangle (with the point of view of being the bottom of being the side of the triangle closests towards the bottom of the screen).

Answer: (a) M = m (b) 0

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I agree with the answer the worksheet provides me for (b) 0
I however disagree with the answer the worksheet provides me for (a). I got M = sqrt(2)m. I'm not exactly sure if I am wrong or the answer on the sheet is right (there have been worksheets in the past that my professor has made that have had wrong answers)...

Can anyone confirm that the answer the answer sheet is right or if I am?
 
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How did you get M = sqrt(2)m ?
 
Well here's what I did, let me know if you can't follow my work
attached is my work and the question
 

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Ok so I believe that this is more correct
M = m sqrt(3)
and here's my work
 
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see attached
note that number 5 is the second question in my work below
can anyone confirm that m sqrt(3) is correct or wrong or if it it's really just m all by itself
 

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I can't read question 5 on that picture. So I can't see what you have done.
 
here we go
I accidentally included a random pi/3 next to sphere 3 in the file below sorry
 

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Looking at your diagram, your angles are incorrect for an equilateral triangle. Everything else is correct.
 
What would be the correct angles, I thought that the angles within a equilateral triangle were pi/3, I drew the center of the sphere to be at the origin of my coordinate system and took directly upwards to be the positive y direction, and directly towards the right from this point to be the positive x direction.

If we draw three lines from the center of a equilateral triangle to each vertex three more equilateral triangles would be formed that were smaller and within the larger one. When I choose my coordinate axes I thought about the angle that was formed from each force vector and the angle from my coordinate axes. I don't see which angles I got specifically wrong and what they should be and thought that what I was doing was correct but I guess not. Also thanks for your help.
 
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The way you've drawn your diagram, if you draw three lines from the center to each vertex, each of the angles between two lines would be pi/3.

If you add them all together, they would all add up to pi. This is not correct.

You can find the correct angle between two lines by finding the value which those angles must add up to, and then dividing it by the number of angles.
 
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ah thanks
 

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