Gravitational Force Units Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the units of gravitational force and acceleration in the context of a formula derived from a previous thread. Participants are examining the relationship between acceleration and gravitational force, questioning the consistency of units on both sides of an equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Philipp questions why it is possible to equate acceleration (a) with the expression v dv/dr and the gravitational force term -G (m1 + m2) / r², noting a potential unit inconsistency.
  • One participant suggests that Philipp should use \LaTeX for clarity.
  • Another participant challenges Philipp's assertion that -G (m1 + m2) / r² represents gravitational force, prompting a verification of the units of G.
  • Philipp references the relationship F = m * a, indicating confusion over the distinction between force and acceleration in the context of the equation.
  • A later reply corrects Philipp's understanding, stating that gravitational force involves the product of two masses (Gm1m2/r²) rather than their sum.
  • Philipp acknowledges the oversight in a follow-up post.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct formulation of gravitational force, with some clarifying that it involves the product of masses rather than their sum. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of unit consistency in the original equation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of terms and the application of the gravitational force equation. The discussion does not clarify the mathematical steps leading to the unit comparison.

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I just have a question concerning a previous thread about gravitation.

The formula is from post 19 at https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=635188&page=2


v= dr/dt

a = dv/dt

multiply by dv/dt by dr/dr:

a = (dr dv)/(dt dr) = v dv/dr

This gets you to the first step:

v dv/dr = -G (m1 + m2) / r2


My question is: Why is it possible to set a = v dv/dr = -G (m1 + m2) / r2 ?

On the left side there are units of acceleration (m/s^2) and on the right side is the gravitational force (kg*m/s^2). Shouldn't the units at all time be the same on both sides?

Thanks very much for an answer.

Regards, Philipp
 
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hey philipp, please use \LaTeX. it ain't hard.
 
philipp2020 said:
...= -G (m1 + m2) / r2
on the right side is the gravitational force (kg*m/s^2)
Are you sure? Look up the units of G and check that again.
 
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Thanks for the reply.

Well usually -G (m1 + m2) / r2 = F = m * a

This is not equal to just acceleration as in a = (dr dv)/(dt dr) = v dv/dr = -G (m1 + m2)
 
philipp2020 said:
Thanks for the reply.

Well usually -G (m1 + m2) / r2 = F = m * a
No. Gravitational force requires two masses multiplied, not added: Gm1m2/r2

The left side of your equation has units of acceleration, not force.
 
aaa, thanks. so silly from me :)
 

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