Gravitational potential energy

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gravitational potential energy of a teeter toy, which consists of a massless central stick and two massless sticks with masses at the ends. The problem involves determining the potential energy as a function of the angle at which the toy is tilted from the upright position.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the expression for gravitational potential energy and its dependence on the angle θ. Questions arise regarding the reasoning behind the derived equation and the implications of choosing a reference point for potential energy. There is also exploration of how to treat the system of masses under the influence of gravity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on the reasoning behind the potential energy expression. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the system's center of mass and the calculation of potential energy for multiple masses. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the reference point for potential energy and the distribution of mass in the system. There is mention of external resources for further understanding of the center of mass concept.

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Homework Statement


A teeter toy is composed of a massless central stick of length L and two massless sticks of length l attached at angles α, each with a mass m at the end (see the figure). We imagine tilting the toy by an angle θ from the upright position.

a) Find an expression for the gravitational potential energy of the whole object, as a function of θ.

Homework Equations



U=mgh

The Attempt at a Solution



U(θ) = mg(L-Lcos(θ))
 
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Lis said:
U(θ) = mg(L-Lcos(θ))
Can you provide your reasoning how you got this equation? A drawing would be helpful.
 
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Thanks for the drawing.
Lis said:
U(θ) = mg(L-Lcos(θ))
Is this correct? Let's see. It says that when θ = 0 (top figure), the potential energy is zero. That's defines your choice of reference. Your expression also says that when θ = 90o, the potential energy is mgL. Does that look right? What exactly finds itself at distance L above your reference when the toy is tipped 90o? To see how to treat the problem sensibly, consider that gravity is an external force acting on a system of two masses. Therefore we can view gravity as acting on the ____ of the two masses. (Fill in the blank.)
 
I don't think i understand you quite. Do you mean " Therefore we can view gravity as acting on the length of the two masses"?
 
You have a system of two equal masses. If you were to treat this system as if its entire mass of 2m were concentrated at one point, where would that point be?
 
on the top off L?
 
Potential energy, $$U_{total}= m_{total} \cdot g\cdot h_{center~of~mass}$$
Or you can calculate the height for the two masses separately, then calculate their respective potential energy and add them.
 

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