Gravity and Orbital Velocity: Understanding a Common Misconception

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The discussion revolves around the velocities of two satellites in the same circular orbit around the Earth, where one satellite has double the mass of the other. Participants are exploring the implications of mass on orbital speed and addressing a misconception regarding gravitational effects on velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the relationship between mass and orbital speed, with some asserting that mass does not affect speed in orbit. Others are exploring the implications of the problem's parameters, particularly the significance of the orbital radius.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have offered reasoning that supports the idea that the satellites should have the same speed, while others are challenging this view and suggesting that additional information about the orbital radius is necessary for comparison.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy between the original poster's understanding and the instructor's feedback, leading to further inquiry into the assumptions made in the problem. The participants are also discussing the implications of the problem's wording regarding the orbital radii being the same.

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Homework Statement
Two satellites are in the same circular orbit around the Earth. Satellite A has mass of m and satellite B mass of 2m. Which one of the following statements is true about the speeds of these satellites?
Relevant Equations
A: satellite A's velocity will be two times faster than satellite B

B: The two satellites have the same speed

C: Satellite B's velocity will be two times larger than Satellite A

D: We need to know the orbital radius in order to compare the speeds of the satellites
I need help with understanding this problem. I had initially chosen B, that the two satellites had the same speed because the mass does not effect the velocities of each of the satellites considering they are in orbit. But that answer was marked incorrect by my instructor. What other answer could it be and why was I wrong?
 
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What will be the orbits of the two masses relative to each other?
 
phinds said:
What will be the orbits of the two masses relative to each other?
As per the information given in the problem the orbits will be of the same speed in the same circular orbital path?
 
momoneedsphysicshelp said:
Homework Statement:: Two satellites are in the same circular orbit around the Earth. Satellite A has mass of m and satellite B mass of 2m. Which one of the following statements is true about the speeds of these satellites?
Relevant Equations:: A: satellite A's velocity will be two times faster than satellite B

B: The two satellites have the same speed

C: Satellite B's velocity will be two times larger than Satellite A

D: We need to know the orbital radius in order to compare the speeds of the satellites

I need help with understanding this problem. I had initially chosen B, that the two satellites had the same speed because the mass does not effect the velocities of each of the satellites considering they are in orbit. But that answer was marked incorrect by my instructor. What other answer could it be and why was I wrong?
I agree with your answer.
 
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I also agree with your answer.

If ##g## is the gravitational acceleration at the altitude of the common orbit, then $$g=\frac{V_A^2}{R_A}=\frac{V_B^2}{R_B}$$ and since ##R_A=R_B## (same orbit) it follows that $$V_A=V_B$$.
 
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Thank you all, I will converse with my instructor regarding my reasoning.
 
Answer D is a true statement. But, the question specifies that the orbital radii are the same.
 
PeroK said:
Answer D is a true statement. But, the question specifies that the orbital radii are the same.
I do not read D that way. Since it is specified in the problem that the radii are the same, I read it as claiming that you need to know what the common radius is, which is wrong.

B is definitely correct and an instructor that marks it wrong even after this is pointed out should not be a physics instructor. The argument is very simple and already given in #5.
 
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