Gravity between the Earth and the Moon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of the Moon's gravity on Earth and the resulting tides, particularly focusing on why larger objects like Earth experience significant tidal effects while smaller objects, such as humans, do not. Participants explore concepts of gravitational gradients and the relationship between mass, size, and tidal forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the relationship between an object's mass and its susceptibility to the Moon's gravity, suggesting that smaller objects might experience a greater pull due to their size.
  • Another participant clarifies that the difference in gravitational pull experienced by the Earth is due to its size, which creates a significant gradient between the near and far sides, while the gradient for humans is negligible.
  • A further explanation is provided regarding how the Moon's gravity pulls water away from the Earth, contributing to tidal bulges, and that the effect is much less pronounced for smaller bodies like humans.
  • One participant emphasizes that the tidal effects are larger for larger objects because the difference in gravitational strength across their size is more significant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the concept that larger objects experience more pronounced tidal effects due to gravitational gradients, while the discussion reflects some initial confusion regarding the implications for smaller objects like humans. However, no consensus is reached on the initial misunderstanding of the gravitational effects.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of gravitational effects and the relationship between mass and size, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts.

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Individuals interested in gravitational physics, tidal forces, and the effects of celestial bodies on Earth may find this discussion informative.

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I'm just reading a book and it says:

'' Humans are too small to be affected noticeably by the tides. The Earth has tides because its big, thousands of kilometres across. This gives the gravity from the Moon room to weaken.''

Why is it that the more massive an object is, the more it is susceptible to the gravity of the moon? Because if the Moon's gravity weakens over the Earths body, that would mean that there is a reduced pull towards the moon, reducing the height of the tides. And so, since humans are so small.. wouldn't the force not weaken as much, and so there is a greater pull towards the moon, making humans susceptible to tides?
I know I'm wrong, but i don't quite understand..

Please help! thank you :)
 
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mynameistessa said:
I'm just reading a book and it says:

'' Humans are too small to be affected noticeably by the tides. The Earth has tides because its big, thousands of kilometres across. This gives the gravity from the Moon room to weaken.''

Why is it that the more massive an object is, the more it is susceptible to the gravity of the moon? Because if the Moon's gravity weakens over the Earths body, that would mean that there is a reduced pull towards the moon, reducing the height of the tides. And so, since humans are so small.. wouldn't the force not weaken as much, and so there is a greater pull towards the moon, making humans susceptible to tides?
I know I'm wrong, but i don't quite understand..

Please help! thank you :)

They could have just as well said "strengthen". The near side of the Earth feels the moon's gravity more strongly than average, and the far side more weakly than average. Because the Earth is quite large compared with the distance to the moon, the difference is enough to cause significant tides.
 
What you are asking about is called a "Gradient". The Moons gravity weakens as you get further from it, and since the Earth is several thousand miles across the field has weakened between the near side and the far side. People are much smaller and while a gradient does exist between the side of our bodies closer to the Moon and the side further away, the difference is much too small to be noticeable.

mynameistessa said:
Why is it that the more massive an object is, the more it is susceptible to the gravity of the moon?
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It isn't that more massive objects are more susceptible, it is that larger objects have a larger difference in the strength of gravity between the near and far sides. Something being more "massive" refers to the amount of mass an object has, which is kind of like it's weight, not the physical size.

Because if the Moon's gravity weakens over the Earths body, that would mean that there is a reduced pull towards the moon, reducing the height of the tides.

One thing to understand is that the reason the tides bulge up like they do is that the Moon is pulling the water near it away from the Earth, and it is pulling the Earth away from the water on the far side. Because water is a fluid it easily flows and is able to build up on each side.

And so, since humans are so small.. wouldn't the force not weaken as much, and so there is a greater pull towards the moon, making humans susceptible to tides?
I know I'm wrong, but i don't quite understand..

Please help! thank you :)

Nope. The difference in strength is very small for a person, while for the Earth it is much larger. When the difference is larger you get larger tidal effects. If I pull the front of your body with X amount of force, and the back of your body with 99.9% of that force, it has much small tidal effects than if I pulled the back of your body with only 75% of the force. In such a case your body would stretch slightly since the front is being pulled more strongly than the back.
 
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Thank you so much for the replies, i now understand! I think i was reading the passage wrong because i somehow didn't think he was talking about the difference on each side but thank you! :) :)
 

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