Gravity on Planets: Does Mass Affect Free Fall?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of mass on free fall, particularly whether a person in free fall would feel any force if the mass of the planet they are falling towards were to suddenly increase. The scope includes theoretical considerations of gravity, general relativity, and the nature of forces experienced during free fall.

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Main Points Raised

  • James suggests that a person in free fall would not feel any force acting upon themselves, even if the planet's mass were to triple during their fall.
  • One participant asserts that a point person in free fall feels no force, while an extended person would experience tidal forces due to geodesic deviation.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of a planet's mass tripling suddenly, stating it would violate local energy-momentum conservation.
  • A further reply discusses a hypothetical scenario where a planet collides with another at high speed, suggesting that a gravitational wave could be felt as tidal gravity, leading to potential bodily deformation.
  • One participant notes that while curvature of spacetime increases as one falls towards a massive body, the term "apparent force" refers to effects that cannot be felt and are dependent on the coordinate system used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of mass changes during free fall, with no consensus reached on whether a person would feel any force or how such a scenario could occur without violating physical laws.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the conservation of energy and the hypothetical nature of sudden mass changes, indicating that the discussion relies on speculative scenarios that may not align with established physical principles.

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Would a body in free fall 'feel' a force acting upon it if the curvature of spacetime was suddenly increased?
My current understanding is that a person falling toward the surface of a planet with no atmosphere, would feel no force acting upon themselves even though they are accelerating relative to the planet. If the mass of the planet suddenly tripled while the person is in free fall, would the person 'feel' anything as a result or would they still feel no apparent force even though their rate of acceleration increases?

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James
 
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A point person in free fall will not feel any force. An extended person will be subject to tidal forces due to geodesic deviation.

Sciolo said:
If the mass of the planet suddenly tripled
It cannot do that. That would violate local energy-momentum conservation.
 
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How would the mass of the planet triple suddenly? Bear in mind that the Einstein field equations require that you respect local conservation of energy, so "the mass just appears out of nowhere" doesn't give a consistent scenario.

Assuming something like "a planet slams into it from the other side at near enough the speed of light that its gravitational influence wasn't felt earlier" then you'd get a gravitational wave passing through you and then you'd be in the region of higher curvature (and then dead from the debris of such a cataclysm shortly thereafter). You might (in principle, at least) feel the gravitational wave as it passes through you because this is tidal gravity. The geodesic motion of the different parts of your body would be in different directions, which I imagine might well feel like being pulled apart. However, the only actual forces in play are the internal structural forces of your body trying to keep itself together.
 
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Sciolo said:
Would a body in free fall 'feel' a force acting upon it if the curvature of spacetime was suddenly increased?
The curvature is increasing all the time as you fall towards as massive body. It increases the tidal forces, leading to deformations which you could feel in extreme cases.

Sciolo said:
...would the person 'feel' anything as a result or would they still feel no apparent force...
To term "apparent force" usually refers to effects that you cannot "feel", and are due to the chosen coordinate system.
 
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Thanks for the replies and explanations.
 

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