Green Planet (My project for energy)

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The discussion revolves around a conceptual project titled "Green Planet," which proposes the creation of a vacuum tunnel connecting two points on Earth, allowing a vehicle to utilize gravitational pull for acceleration and deceleration. Participants explore various aspects of air pressure, the feasibility of the project, and the implications of traveling through such a tunnel.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that air pressure is the weight of the air above, noting that as one goes deeper underwater or underground, pressure increases due to the weight of the air or water above.
  • There is a discussion about whether the vacuum in the proposed tunnel would eliminate air pressure and how that might affect the vehicle and its occupants.
  • One participant raises questions about the effects of pressure on human ears when diving and whether similar effects would occur in the vacuum tunnel.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the structural integrity of the vehicle and tunnel, particularly in relation to heat and pressure from the Earth's core.
  • Some participants suggest that a curved tunnel could theoretically allow for travel between any two points on the surface, assuming no friction, while others question the implications of friction in a vacuum.
  • There are inquiries about the potential for using magnetic levitation to prevent the vehicle from colliding with the tunnel walls due to high speeds.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the biological viability of human travel through the proposed vacuum system and suggest alternatives such as transporting goods instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of the project or the implications of air pressure in the vacuum tunnel. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the effects of pressure and the design of the tunnel and vehicle.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the effects of gravitational pull on air pressure, the structural challenges of the proposed vehicle, and the biological implications of vacuum travel. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of how pressure operates in different environments.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts in physics, engineering, and conceptual design, particularly those exploring the implications of pressure and vacuum systems in theoretical projects.

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Hi Everyone,

My teacher gave me a project to created anything that need not to be build out physically.

I gave the tittle green planet.

So the idea is that one could create a VACUUM tunnel from the north to south pole (or any 2 points that is a diameter of the earth) and a "vehicle" where human is put into and use gravitational pull to accelerate to the centre of the core and then deccelerate to reach the other hemisphere(north to south; east to west & vice versa).

I have problems that need to be answered:(please help to answer the qs that u know; thanks)
Qs 1) When you go underdiving, I heard that if you go deeper and deeper, your ears starts getting more and more painful. (so is it because of air pressure? If yes, so does air pressure changes occur as you go deeper(higher gravitation) or higher(lower gravitation) because of gravitation? In other words air pressure changes because of gravitational pull?)
Qs 2) What is air pressure definition? (is it the air molecules are getting more compress/closer?)
Qs 3) So does qs 1 and 2 apply to my above qs(If it does have pressure, will it cause pain to yr ear) , don't forget my tunnel is vacuum and not liquid and the vehicle will be filled with oxygen adjusted to atmospheric pressure.(So when I get deeper to the core of the earth, will my pressure in the vehicle increase?
Qs 4) If this idea simply make no sense, please tell me as I need to present this and I do not want to embarrass myself by all the wrong facts so please feel free to tell me.

For the material, I have come up with a carbon material to withstand the heat of the core. So if there is any problem regarding my project, feel free to correct me as I lack the knowledge now but I love Physics and plan to major in physics once I leave school.
Qs 5)So if any physics and/or biological theory denied human survival in this kind of "vacuum travelling" please correct me. (I will change from human to shipping gds by "vacuum travelling" and if this also does not work please correct me also.)

Thanks a lot
 
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Air pressure is the weight of all the air above you. Air isn't very heavy - a cubic metre of air only weighs around 1.2Kg but there is a column of 8,000m of air above you so the weight on each square meter is about 10tonnes. As you go further down each 8km will add another 10tonnes of pressure on each square m, just as when you go up a mountian there is less air above you and so less weight and your ears pop in the other direction.

When you go scuba diving the effect is more worse because each cubic metre of water weighs 1 tonne.

Rememebr that your tunnel doesn't have to be from the north to south pole (there isn,t much demand for traffic between polar bears and penguins) down is the same direction from anywhere - get a globe and see which cities are nearly opposite each other.
 
mgb_phys said:
Air pressure is the weight of all the air above you. Air isn't very heavy - a cubic metre of air only weighs around 1.2Kg but there is a column of 8,000m of air above you so the weight on each square meter is about 10tonnes. As you go further down each 8km will add another 10tonnes of pressure on each square m, just as when you go up a mountian there is less air above you and so less weight and your ears pop in the other direction.

When you go scuba diving the effect is more worse because each cubic metre of water weighs 1 tonne.

Rememebr that your tunnel doesn't have to be from the north to south pole (there isn,t much demand for traffic between polar bears and penguins) down is the same direction from anywhere - get a globe and see which cities are nearly opposite each other.

Yup thanks, anyway I mean any 2 points by diameter eg new york to perth (australia).
Anyway I am puzzle as in if it is vacuum, there shouldn't be any pressure as there is no air molecules.
 
Yes you would have to have the tube in vacuum anyway to stop the air resistance slowing you down (and melting your vehicle).
An interesting result is that if you get the curve right is it possible to link any two points on the surface with a tunnel where if you dropped something in one end it would reach the other (in theory assuming no friction) - it doesn't have to go therough the centre.
 
mgb_phys said:
Air pressure is the weight of all the air above you. Air isn't very heavy - a cubic metre of air only weighs around 1.2Kg but there is a column of 8,000m of air above you so the weight on each square meter is about 10tonnes. As you go further down each 8km will add another 10tonnes of pressure on each square m, just as when you go up a mountian there is less air above you and so less weight and your ears pop in the other direction.

When you go scuba diving the effect is more worse because each cubic metre of water weighs 1 tonne.

Rememebr that your tunnel doesn't have to be from the north to south pole (there isn,t much demand for traffic between polar bears and penguins) down is the same direction from anywhere - get a globe and see which cities are nearly opposite each other.
I have just updated my qs.

Btw I am very curious as in if you pressurise an underwater machine(with ppl in it) why the pressure will change when you go deeper? is it because of the water but aren't you separated from the water or is it gravity or other thing that affect air pressure as you go deeper underwater.

Another qs, let's say you take out all the ocean water and you are at the same depth as above maybe 4000m below sea level and in the underwater machine(but now there is no water and just ocean floor w/ dead coral reef), will the air pressure be reduce, same, increase when compare to the above examples.
 
mgb_phys said:
Yes you would have to have the tube in vacuum anyway to stop the air resistance slowing you down (and melting your vehicle).
An interesting result is that if you get the curve right is it possible to link any two points on the surface with a tunnel where if you dropped something in one end it would reach the other (in theory assuming no friction) - it doesn't have to go therough the centre.

But why there is friction, there isn't any air molecules to cause terminal velocity so I guess it will accelerate until it starts to go up the surface again. I got another qs, if you make a curve tunnel, will it collide with the wall because it is moving so fast relative to the Earth if you accelerate long enough(a few minutes) so the damage if it hit the tunnel wall will be devastating. Do you think that the use of repelling will solve the issue (both the curve part of the tunnel and vehicle be magnetise by the same(north) pole. And will it slow down?

Anyway thanks for solving the previous qs, I appreciate that.
 
You could put it on rails or do a mag-lev type design to keep it from grinding against the walls of the tunnel.
 

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