Ground State Energy of an Electron

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the ground state energy of an electron in a Bohr atom model. Participants are attempting to reconcile their calculations with expected values, specifically addressing discrepancies in the derived energy levels.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over their calculation, which yields a value of -13.7 eV, and seeks help in identifying errors in their approach.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the equation being used, suggesting that it may benefit from being formatted in TeX for better understanding.
  • A participant identifies the equation as being based on the Bohr model for energy levels, specifically for n=1, and references a textbook for the formulation.
  • This participant notes that their calculated value differs from the expected -13.7 eV by a factor of 3.14, suggesting a potential misplacement of Pi in the equation.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous comment about the equation and points out that there are missing factors in the formulation, indicating that a factor of 2π is needed in the numerator and a factor of 2 in the denominator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct formulation of the energy equation, with multiple interpretations and calculations presented. Discrepancies in the derived values remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct placement of constants and factors in the energy equation, highlighting potential dependencies on definitions and assumptions from different texts.

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This is what I've tried to work out and I'm not getting -13.7 eV. What am I doing wrong?


E 2 Π m e^4 / (4 Π ε0 )^2 h^2 6.90E-19 J=4.31eV

m 9.11 x 10-31 kg 9.11E-31
e 1.60 x 10-19 C 1.60E-19
ε0 8.85 x 10-12 C2/Nm2 8.85E-12
h 6.63 x 10-34 J S 6.63E-34

1 joule = 6.24150974 × 10^18 electron volts
 
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Sorry but I have absolutely no idea what that equation is supposed to be, or where you got it from. Try TeXing it perhaps? How did you arrive at it?
 
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The equation is based on the Bohr atom for energy levels. The version I wrote above is for n=1. The development in the text I'm using:

AUTHOR Mortimer, Robert G.
TITLE Physical chemistry / Robert G. Mortimer.
PUB INFO San Diego, Calif. : Academic Press, c2000.
pgs. 511-520 roughly

uses En = 2 Π m e4 / n2 (4 Π ε0 )2 h2

When I plug in the constants, n=1, the value is off from 13.7 eV, after conversion from Joules, by a factor of 3.14, as if Pi doesn't belong in the denominator. I'm thinking that it is already included in the permitivity constant ε0.
 
jbowers9 said:
The equation is based on the Bohr atom for energy levels. The version I wrote above is for n=1. The development in the text I'm using:

AUTHOR Mortimer, Robert G.
TITLE Physical chemistry / Robert G. Mortimer.
PUB INFO San Diego, Calif. : Academic Press, c2000.
pgs. 511-520 roughly

uses En = 2 Π m e4 / n2 (4 Π ε0 )2 h2

When I plug in the constants, n=1, the value is off from 13.7 eV, after conversion from Joules, by a factor of 3.14, as if Pi doesn't belong in the denominator. I'm thinking that it is already included in the permitivity constant ε0.

I presume you mean [tex]E_n = \frac{2 \pi m_e e^4}{n^2 (4 \pi \epsilon_{0}) h^2}[/tex]

Incidentally, my quantum mech book gives the equation for the energy according to the Bohr model as [tex]\frac{m_e Z^2 e^4}{(4 \pi \epsilon_0)^2 2 \hbar^2}\frac{1}{n^2}[/tex]

so you're missing a factor of [tex]2 \pi[/tex] up top and you're missing a 2 from down below... in other words, you're missing a factor of pi. Which is what you say you're missing. =)
 

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