Group Homomorphisms: Verifying Group Property & Finding Inverse

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The discussion revolves around verifying the group properties of the semidirect product \( K \rtimes_{\varphi} Q \), where \( \varphi : Q \rightarrow Aut(K) \) is a homomorphism. Participants are tasked with confirming that this structure satisfies the group axioms and finding the inverse of an element in this product.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the four conditions necessary for a structure to be a group, including closure, identity, inverses, and associativity. There are attempts to verify these conditions, particularly focusing on closure and the existence of an identity element. Questions arise regarding the notation and meaning of the identity element (1,1) and the verification of associativity.

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Some participants have provided partial verification of the group properties, particularly closure and identity. However, there is ongoing exploration regarding the associativity condition, with participants seeking clarification on how to manipulate the expressions involving the homomorphism \( \varphi \). The discussion is active, with participants offering hints and suggestions for further investigation.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of group theory and the specific definitions related to semidirect products. There is a noted emphasis on understanding the implications of \( \varphi \) as a homomorphism and its role in the group operations. Some participants express confusion about the notation and the properties of the automorphisms involved.

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hi a little help would be kindly appreciated here guys.

any suggestions on how to go about doing these?

INFORMATION
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if K,Q are groups \varphi : Q \rightarrow Aut(K) is a homomorphism the semi direct product K \rtimes_{\varphi} Q is defined as follows.

(i) as a set K \rtimes_{\varphi} Q = K \times Q
(ii) the group operation * is (k_1,q_1)*(k_2,q_2) = (k_1 \varphi(q_1)(k_2),q1q2)


THE QUESTION
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Verify formally that K \rtimes_{\varphi} Q = (K \times Q, *, (1,1) is a group and find a formula for (k,q)^{-1} in terms of k^{-1},q^{-1} and \varphi


-----> to show that it is a group, i know i have to show that the 4 conditions for being a group (e.g. associativity, closure, existence of identity element, existence of inverse) have to be satisfied. but not really too sure how to show it.. and I am completely baffled for the 2nd part of the question.
please help out :) thnx
 
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I'm not sure what the (1, 1) at the end of the triple (quadruple?) is supposed to indicate, but the verification that the semidirect product actually forms a group is pretty simple. I'll do closure, and maybe you'll get the idea. As a note, I'm going to denote \varphi(q_{1}) by \phi_{q_{1}} because that makes it a lot more clear that the image is actually an automorphism of K.

(k_{1}, q_{1})\ast(k_{2}, q_{2}) = (k_{1}\phi_{q_{1}}(k_{2}), q_{1}q_{2}) by definition. Since \phi_{q_{1}} is an automorphism of K, \phi_{q_{1}}(k_{2})=k_{3} for some k_{3} \in K. Since K is a group, k_{1}k_{3} \in K. Similarly, it's clear that q_{1}q_{2} \in Q. Hence (k_{1}\phi_{q_{1}}(k_{2}), q_{1}q_{2}) \in K \times Q, and closure holds.

Does that help?
 
The (1,1) at the end of the quadruple is there to emphasize the fact that the identity in the semi direct product is the couple (1_K,1_Q).

The most tedious part of checking the semi direct product is a group is...associativity! But it certainly is not difficult.

For the second part of the question, you are asked to find an expression for the inverse of a general element (k,q) in terms of the inverses of k and q and the function phi.

I'll do the easy half of the question for you. We want (k',q')=(k,q)^{-1} such that (1,1)=(k,q)(k',q')=(\mbox{complicated expression},qq')

This implies that q' must be q^{-1}. Now all you got to do is solve "complicated expression = 1" for k'.
 
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thnx a lot for the help..
here is my working out so far: please verify and suggest any corrections for wrong the parts.


Checking of the 4 conditions for a group
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Closure:
(k_1,q_1) * (k_2,q_2) = (k_1\varphi(q_1)(k_2), q_1q_2).
Since \varphi(q_1) is an automorphism of K, \varphi(q_1)(k_2) = k_3 for some k \epsilon K. Since K is a group, k_1,k_3 \epsilon K. Similarly, q_1,q_2 \epsilon Q. So (k_1\varphi(q_1)(k_2), q_1q_2) \epsilon K \times Q and closure holds.

existence of identity element:
(k_1,q_1) * (1,1) = (k_1\varphi(q_1)(1), q_1(1)) = (k_1,q_1) and
(1,1) * (k_1,q_1) = (1\varphi(1)(k_1), 1(q_1)) = (k_1,q_1).
So (k_1,q_1) * (1,1) = (1,1) * (k_1,q_1) = (k_1,q_1).
So the identity element exists.

existence of inverse element:
The inverse is an element (x,y) such that (k_1,q_1)(x,y) = (k_1\varphi(q_1)x, q_1y) = (1,1) and
(x,y)(k_1,q_1) = (x\varphi(y)k_1, yq_1) = (1,1).
so (k_1,q_1)(x,y) = (1,1) = (x,y)(k_1,q_1)

So the inverse element exists.

Associativity:
[(k_1,q_1)*(k_2,q_2)] * (k_3,q_3) = [(k_1\varphi(q_1)(k_2), q_1q_2)] * (k_3,q_3) = (k_1\varphi(q_1)(k_2)\varphi(q_1q_2)(k_3), q_1q_2q_3)

(k_1,q_1) * [(k_2,q_2)*(k_3,q_3)] = (k_1,q1) * [(k_2\varphi(q_2)(k_3),q_2q_3)] = (k_1\varphi(q_1)k_2\varphi(q_2)(k_3), q_1q_2q_3) <br />

the 2 answers don't seem to match up here. please verify this.2ND PART OF QUESTION

Finding the inverse for (k_1,q_1).
The inverse is an element (x,y) such that (k_1,q_1)(x,y) = (1,1) = (x,y)(k_1,q_1). So (k_1 \phi (q_1) x,q_1y) = (1,1). This means q_1y = 1 \implies q_1 = y^{-1}. And k\phi (q_1) x = 1 \implies x =k^{-1} \phi^{-1} (q_1)
 
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any corrections please?
 
Concerning associativity, you still need to show using the properties of homomorphisms that

k_1\varphi(q_1)(k_2)\varphi(q_1q_2)(k_3) = k_1\varphi(q_1)(k_2\varphi(q_2)(k_3))
 
concerning associativity, that's exactly where I am stuck at, where would i go from that line..

any hints?

i understand that \varphi is a holomorphism but i don't know what \varphi(q_2) or \varphi(q_1q_2) represent or how i would interpret them??
 
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phi is itself a homomorphism that send element of Q to automorphisms of K!

so \varphi is an homomorphism, and for any q in Q, \varphi(q) is again a homomorphism.
 
quasar987 said:
phi is itself a homomorphism that send element of Q to automorphisms of K!

so \varphi is an homomorphism, and for any q in Q, \varphi(q) is again a homomorphism.

thnx i understand that but what i mean is what values do \varphi(q) and \varphi(qq_2) take? visibly they must be the same since the 2 overall equations have to be the same for associativity to hold?
 
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The point is that phi and phi(q) are both homomorphisms is that the two expressions can be simplified. Let me do the first one to demonstrate the idea...

k_1\varphi(q_1)(k_2)\varphi(q_1q_2)(k_3)=k_1\varphi(q_1)(k_2)[\varphi(q_1)\circ \varphi(q_2)](k3)=k_1\varphi(q_1)(k_2)\varphi(q_1)(\varphi(q_2)(k3))

notice the "\circ" in the second step? this is because the group operation in Aut(K) is the composition of function.
 

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