Group I/II Metal oxides always basic in aqueous solution -- why?

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The discussion revolves around the basicity of Group I and II metal oxides in aqueous solutions, exploring the underlying reasons through various explanations and theories, including acid-base theory and electronegativity considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to transform a non-rigorous explanation of the basicity of Group I/II metal oxides into a more formal argument, referencing acid-base theory.
  • Another participant asserts that electronegativity is a property of elements rather than compounds, challenging the initial explanation.
  • A further contribution emphasizes that electronegativity does not diminish when elements form chemical bonds, specifically mentioning oxygen's behavior in bonding.
  • One participant speculates about a potential "net electronegativity effect" in molecules, suggesting there may be more complexity to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of electronegativity in the context of chemical bonding, with no consensus reached on the explanations provided.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the initial explanations, particularly regarding the definitions and implications of electronegativity in compounds versus elements, and the need for a more rigorous framework to understand the basicity of metal oxides.

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Make argument rigorous

Transform my handy-wavy explanation of why group I/II metals oxides in aqueous solution are basic into a rigorous argument​


I heard an explanation about something being a better proton acceptor or lone pair donor but that doesn't make sense. I couldn't explain in in terms of acid-base theory.

The hand-waving way I saw it was that group I/II metal oxides are less electronegative than non-metals, so in water, they'll donate their electron to the hydrogen, the hydrogen will break away from the oxygen because hydrogen hates oxygen hogging its electrons, and because hydrogen electronegative enough.

With non-metals, my hand-waving is that metal oxides are more electronegative, when they bond with water, they'll just form one bigger molecule because they suck on other's electrons without letting go and form one big acid molecule where the least electronegative thing in there is a hydrogen, which falls of into a proton, and it may or may not be polyprotic.
 
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adf89812 said:
group I/II metal oxides are less electronegative than non-metals

Electronegativity is a property of an element, not of a compound.
 
Borek said:
Electronegativity is a property of an element, not of a compound.
electronegative doesn't disappear when you form a chemical bond. Oxygen doesn't become less electronegative AFAIK when it bonds.
 
adf89812 said:
electronegative doesn't disappear when you form a chemical bond. Oxygen doesn't become less electronegative AFAIK when it bonds.
Maybe there's something about net electronegativity effect in molecules?
 

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