Group of Wave Vector for k - Action of Space Group

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the group of wave vector for a specific wave vector ##k## and its relation to space group operations, particularly focusing on how translation operators act on wave vectors in reciprocal space. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding wave vectors and space groups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines the group of wave vector as space group operations that leave ##k## invariant or transform it into ##k+K_m##, questioning how translation parts of the space group, ##\tau##, act on wave vectors.
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of "space" in space groups, suggesting that space group symmetries can exist without physical dimensions of length, and questions the understanding of wave vectors in reciprocal space.
  • A later reply reiterates the concern about applying spatial-translation operators to reciprocal space, noting the existence of different types of translation operators, including time-translation operators.
  • One participant suggests that the original post contains the necessary information to define a spatial-translation operation for a crystal and encourages substituting variables relevant to reciprocal space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of translation operators to wave vectors in reciprocal space, indicating a lack of consensus on the correct interpretation and application of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and applications of translation operators in reciprocal space, as well as the implications of space group symmetries without physical dimensions.

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For a specific wave vector, ##k##, the group of wave vector is defined as all the space group operations that leave ##k## invariant or turn it into ##k+K_m## where ##K_m## is a reciprocal vector. How the translation parts of the space group, ##\tau##, can act on wave vector? Better to say, the dimension of a wave vector is ##1/length## while the translation operator acts on the lengths!
 
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You are using the word space in space group as physical space. You can have space group symmetries without having dimensions of length.

Your question makes me wonder if you know what a wave vector looks like in reciprocal space and what it represents in a wave function.
 
Dr_Nate said:
You are using the word space in space group as physical space. You can have space group symmetries without having dimensions of length.

Your question makes me wonder if you know what a wave vector looks like in reciprocal space and what it represents in a wave function.
Many thanks for your answer.
I don't know about that. Could you please help me with how a translation operator ##\tau## act on a wave vector ##k##?
 
It sounds like you are trying to apply a spatial-translation operator to reciprocal space. There's more than one type of translation operator. For example, there is also a time-translation operator. Instead you want a translation operator specific to reciprocal space.
 
Dr_Nate said:
It sounds like you are trying to apply a spatial-translation operator to reciprocal space. There's more than one type of translation operator. For example, there is also a time-translation operator. Instead you want a translation operator specific to reciprocal space.
My question still remains.
 
It's real easy. You've pretty much gave it in your original post. Just write out the definition for a spatial-translation operation for a crystal and just substitute the appropriate variables that are in reciprocal space.
 

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