Grouping all of the units at the end? I.E. F=ma = 2.3*424.3 [kg*m/s]

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The discussion revolves around the practice of grouping units in physics equations, specifically in the context of force calculations using the formula F=ma. Participants explore the organization of units and their representation in equations.

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  • Participants discuss the method of collecting units at the end of equations, questioning its commonality and organization. They also raise concerns about the clarity of using similar symbols for different quantities, such as 'm' for mass and meters.

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Some participants express support for the practice of grouping units, while others seek clarification on formatting and the implications of using certain symbols. There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly represent units in various equations.

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Participants mention the importance of tracking units correctly and the potential confusion arising from using the same symbol for different physical quantities. There is also a note on the necessity of ensuring that terms being added or subtracted have compatible units.

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In some papers I've read, I've seen the authors write down all of the units at the end. For example

##F=ma = 2.3*424.3 [kg*m/s^2]##

In high school, I've never seen the teachers or textbooks write like this. How common is this is method? Assuming one keeps track of their units properly, I like this method because it feels more organized.
 
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WK95 said:
In some papers I've read, I've seen the authors write down all of the units at the end. For example

##F=ma = 2.3*424.3 [kg*m/s^2]##

In high school, I've never seen the teachers or textbooks write like this. How common is this is method? Assuming one keeps track of their units properly, I like this method because it feels more organized.

It's the usual thing to collect all of the units in a product together, for exactly the reason you cite. Do it, it's a good thing to do.
 
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Yes as long as you keep track of units, this is a good way to do it. Remember that the short name for a kg.m/s^2 is a Newton, the SI unit of force.
 
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Thanks. I'll use this more knowing that its a proper practice. Just ot make sure I'm doing it right, is this correct in format?

##F=9.8m [m/s^{2}]##

What about for something like y = 59 - 4x?
Would I group the units in brackets after each term or at the end of the whole thing?
For example, would it be
##y = 59 [unit] - 4x[otherunit]##
 
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WK95 said:
Thanks. I'll use this more knowing that its a proper practice. Just ot make sure I'm doing it right, is this correct in format?

##F=9.8m [m/s^{2}]##

The format isn't terribly important, you don't need brackets. Just collect all of the units at the end like you did before, kg*m/s^2. I'm not sure what your example is. m[m/s^2] isn't the units of a force.
 
WK95 said:
Thanks. I'll use this more knowing that its a proper practice. Just ot make sure I'm doing it right, is this correct in format?

##F=9.8m [m/s^{2}]##

What about for something like y = 59 - 4x?
Would I group the units in brackets after each term or at the end of the whole thing?
For example, would it be
##y = 59 [unit] - 4x[otherunit]##

End of the whole thing. If the two terms you are adding or subtracting have different units, then there is a mistake someplace. You can't add things with different units.
 
The first m is a variable for mass. But it looks the same as the unit for meters

Also, the example was just random numbers. The variable of x has units that would make "otherunit" into the "unit" but I didn't put down the units for x since it's still an unknown value.
 
WK95 said:
The first m is a variable for mass. But it looks the same as the unit for meters

Also, the example was just random numbers. The variable of x has units that would make "otherunit" into the "unit" but I didn't put down the units for x since it's still an unknown value.

Ok, fair enough. But using 'm' as a variable for mass when you are are also using 'm' to designate meters is asking for confusion. If you are collecting units, then use dimensionless quantities for the variables, like the numbers you used before. I.e. don't say mass=M. Say mass=M*kg. So M itself has no dimensions.
 
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