Hall effect over a conducting ring

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The discussion revolves around the Hall effect as applied to a conducting ring, specifically focusing on determining the potential difference between two points on the ring and the voltage around the ring itself.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the potential difference using the Hall effect but expresses confusion about calculating the voltage around the ring. Some participants suggest using a line integral to explore this further, while others question the implications of the results obtained.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging with the problem by discussing different approaches, including the use of line integrals. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the Hall effect and its application in this context, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There appears to be some uncertainty regarding the definitions and terminology used, such as the distinction between the Hall effect and motional emf. Additionally, the original poster mentions assumptions about the voltage being zero around the ring except at specific points.

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Homework Statement
What is the voltage around a conducting ring of diameter ##l##, moving through a uniform magnetic field of magnitude ##B##, at speed ##v##?
Relevant Equations
Definition of potential difference:
$$\Delta V = -\int_i^f {\mathbf{E}\cdot \mathrm{d}\mathbf{s}}$$
Force magnitude equivalence under the Hall effect:
$$qE = qvB$$
This is the diagram provided in the question:
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The ring is made of conducting material. I was originally asked to find the potential difference between ##a## and ##b##. I did so using the Hall effect (and assuming it would work as per normal in this situation). This got me ##\Delta V = vBl##.

However, I am now lost on how to find the "voltage around the ring". If I had to guess, I would say its 0 everywhere around the ring except at either ##a## and ##b## (depending on which you take to be the point where ##V=0##).

Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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You need to do a line integral $$\int_a^b \mathbf{E}\cdot d\mathbf{s}=\int_a^b (\mathbf{v}\times \mathbf{B})\cdot d\mathbf{s}$$ where ##d\mathbf{s}## is a line element along the circular path.
 
@kuruman Sorry, but I don't understand how that will help me. Wouldn't that just give me ##-\Delta V## between ##a## and ##b##? I already have that, don't I?
 
It will give you the integral around the semicircle which is what (I think) the question is asking you to find. You wrote that you didn't know how to do it and I explained that to you. Maybe someone else has another answer that is more to your liking. Stick around.

BTW what you call the Hall effect is more often called "motional emf". Here is a brief description of the Hall effect.
 
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@kuruman No need to get so defensive man, your answer was perfectly to my liking. I simply didn't understand exactly what you were saying.

But I see now why you want to take the line integral around the semi-circle; that should probably be it. Thank you.

And yeah the link you mentioned is what I was referring to.
 

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