Hamilton's Equations and Generating Function

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This discussion centers on the transformation of Hamiltonian mechanics, specifically how to demonstrate that the new variables P and Q adhere to Hamilton's equations with the Hamiltonian K. The equation provided, P\dot{Q}-K=p\dot{q}-H+\frac{d}{dt}F(q,p,Q,P,t), serves as the foundation for this analysis. The user seeks clarification on the differentiation process, particularly regarding the independence of variables p, q from P, Q, and how to effectively apply partial differentiation to derive \frac{\partial K}{\partial p'} and \frac{\partial K}{\partial q'}.

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Say we have a Hamiltonian H(q,p,t) and we then transform from p and q to P=P(q,p,t) and Q=Q(q,p,t), with:

[tex]P\dot{Q}-K=p\dot{q}-H+\frac{d}{dt}F(q,p,Q,P,t)[/tex]

where K is the new Hamiltonian. How do we show that P and Q obey Hamilton's equations with Hamiltonian K? I have tried partial differentiating both sides of the above w.r.t Q and P but I'm not sure what to differentiate (i.e. do we consider p and q independent from P and Q?). I also expanded the big dF/dt but it didn't seem to help.
 
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Anybody? I can rewrite the equation as

[tex]P\dot{Q}-K=p\dot{q}-H+\dot{q}\frac{\partial F}{\partial q}+\dot{p}\frac{\partial F}{\partial p}+\dot{q'}\frac{\partial F}{\partial q'}+\dot{p'}\frac{\partial F}{\partial p'}+\frac{\partial F}{\partial t}[/tex]

It doesn't seem to help me as I don't know whether to just partial differentiate both sides w.r.t p' and q' in an attempt to find [tex]\frac{\partial K}{\partial p'}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{\partial K}{\partial q'}[/tex] or if there's something more subtle needed?
 

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