Hamiltons equations for a satellite

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The discussion revolves around deriving Hamilton's canonical equations for a satellite moving in a gravitational field, specifically focusing on both polar and Cartesian coordinates. The original poster seeks confirmation on the correct definitions of kinetic and potential energies in both coordinate systems.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of kinetic and potential energy in both polar and Cartesian coordinates. The original poster presents their attempts and seeks validation of their definitions. Others inquire about the Hamiltonian formulation and the inclusion of potential energy.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions of kinetic and potential energy, with some participants providing feedback on the original poster's formulations. Guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of including both kinetic and potential energy in the Hamiltonian.

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Homework Statement


Find Hamiltons canonical equations for a satellite of mass m moving about a star of mass M at the origin. Consider motion in a plane, using polar coordinates r,[tex]\theta[/tex].

Repeat the process using cartesian coordinates x,y from the start.


Homework Equations


H=T+V


The Attempt at a Solution


I did both questions but I'm not exactly sure if I defined the kinetic and potential energies correctly for each case. For polar coordinates I found T=m/2 * (r[tex]\dot{}[/tex]2 +r2 [tex]\theta[/tex][tex]\dot{}[/tex]2) and potential energy V=V(r)

For cartessian coordinates I found the Kinetic T=m/2(x[tex]\dot{}[/tex]2)
and potential energy V=[tex]\frac{-GMm}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}[/tex].

So if anyone can confirm if I set up the kinetic and potential energy equations correctly that would be great.
 
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That is the correct kinetic energy in the Lagrangian formulation, what did you have for your kinetic energy and how did you form the Hamiltonian?
 
Taking care to rearrange the equation I found H=[tex]\frac{1}{2m}[/tex] [pr2+[tex]\frac{p\theta^2}{r^2}[/tex]]. Using this I got the hamilton equations, which there 4 of in this case. I'm sure i did that part correctly i just wasn't 100% sure about setting up the kinetic and potential energy equations correctly.

Oh and when doing the same problem in cartessian coordinates was I correct in defining the Kinetic energy T=m/2(x[tex]\dot{}[/tex]2)
and potential energy V=[tex]\frac{-GMm}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}[/tex].
 
anubis01 said:
Taking care to rearrange the equation I found H=[tex]\frac{1}{2m}[/tex] [pr2+[tex]\frac{p\theta^2}{r^2}[/tex]]. Using this I got the hamilton equations, which there 4 of in this case.

Not quite. H=T+V, and you only included the kinetic energy. The potential energy, V=-GMm/r, must also be included.

Oh and when doing the same problem in cartessian coordinates was I correct in defining the Kinetic energy T=m/2(x[tex]\dot{}[/tex]2)
and potential energy V=[tex]\frac{-GMm}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}[/tex].

The potential energy is correct, but don't forget the y component of velocity counts towards the kinetic energy!
 
Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks for the help, its much appreciated.
 

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