Hand prosthesis that can 'feel'

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The discussion revolves around the concept of hand prostheses that provide sensory feedback to amputees, exploring how these devices work, the feasibility of achieving sensory feedback without surgery, and the challenges associated with robotic prosthetics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether amputees can actually 'feel' sensations through prosthetic hands equipped with sensory feedback mechanisms.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the ability of recipients to experience a fully functional hand, citing the complexity of nerve signal encoding and the need for surgical connections between the prosthesis and the nervous system.
  • Another participant suggests that the main barrier to effective robotic prosthetics lies in the cost and robustness of actuators, rather than the feedback mechanisms.
  • There are references to specific talks and articles that discuss advancements in prosthetic technology, indicating ongoing research in the field.
  • Questions arise regarding the growth of nerves and whether amputees can feel sensations from different parts of the prosthetic hand in various locations on their body.
  • One participant proposes the idea of creating prostheses that utilize nerve and muscle contractions by reconnecting nerves directly to the prosthetic device.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and feasibility of sensory feedback in prosthetics, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how these systems work or the potential for non-surgical solutions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the encoding of nerve signals and the technical challenges of translating biological signals to digital formats for prosthetic use. Additionally, the discussion highlights the unresolved nature of how sensory feedback is perceived by users of prosthetic devices.

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i saw some articles about people with hand prosthesis that also have some sensory feedback trough implants on a nerve in what left from the arm that gets signals from sensors on the artificial hand . but i didn't understand exactly how its work, dose the amputee actualy 'feels' the hand? like when he touch something with his prosthesis he feels the sensation coming from the artificial hand?.
it is possible (in some limited fashion) to have something like that without surgery?
 
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You would need to provide a link to a specific article which can be discussed, although I also have heard of work in this area.
I think it is very unlikely that the recipient would experience a fully working hand since the encoding of informational in nerve signals is not yet well understood, (we do know some of the basic physics but not a lot about how the 'software' works - what does a specific nerve signal actually mean?
Surgery would most definitely be involved since the artificial hand must be physically well connected and must also include a device capable of translating signals from biological nervous system to digital signals which the artificial hand can make sense of.
Similarly any sensors in the hand need to have their output translated to a form which makes sense as input for the biological nerves.
 
Google 'reinnervation'.
I think the greatest barrier to robotic prosthetics is not the feedback/control mechanism, of which there are many viable contenders, It's that no robotic hands are cheap, robust and lightweight. Ie actuators are the problem. The hosmer hook, a body powered design over 100 years old is still the most widely used upper limb prosthetic. It's cheap, robust and lightweight unlike current robotics.
 
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Very cool news, is there also a 3d printed brain on the way, doesn't need to be biological?
 
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From what I see, the nerve only grows onto the chest and the sensor from the artificial hand reads the signal, so he can't really feel the artificial hand, I didn't watch the entire film though.
 
Can't they create a prosthesis that is based on nerve and muscle contraction? They can just reconnect the nerve with the prosthesis.
 

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