Harmonic oscillations of the electromechanical system (normal modes)

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The discussion revolves around the normal modes of oscillation in an electromechanical system involving a mathematical pendulum within a uniform magnetic field. The problem presents a set of equations governing the dynamics of the system, with a focus on small oscillations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to express the solution in terms of exponential functions for charge and angle. They express uncertainty regarding the signs in the equations related to the Ampere force and electromotive force (EMF). Some participants question the assumptions regarding the direction of positive current, suggesting that this is a fundamental aspect to clarify.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of sign conventions and the direction of current. There is a recognition that clarifying these assumptions is crucial for progressing in the problem.

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Homework Statement


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Mathematical pendulum is the part of the oscillating circuit.
The system is in a constant uniform magnetic field. Oscillations is small. Find the normal modes of oscilations.

Homework Equations



##
\begin{cases}
ml^2\ddot \phi+ mgl\sin\phi=1/2\dot q Bl^2 \\
\frac{q}{C}+L\ddot q = 1/2Bl^2\dot \phi
\end{cases}
##
+
##\sin\phi \approx \phi##

The Attempt at a Solution


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Submit a solution in the form ##q=q_0e^{i\omega t}## and ##\phi=\phi_0e^{i\omega t}##.
It is more clear to me how to find for a solution. But I'm not sure for a signs near right sides of equations, e. g. near the ##1/2\dot q Bl^2## and ##1/2 Bl^2\dot \phi##. How I can determine right signs.

I get right sides in first equation as mean Ampere force: ##F=1/2IlB=1/2\dot q l B##,
and in second equation as EMF: ##\epsilon=-B\frac{dS}{dt}##, where ##dS=1/2lv##, ##v=-l\dot \phi##. Thus, ##\epsilon=\frac{Bl^2}{2}\dot\phi##

Another words, how can I determine right signs for the Ampere force and EMF?
 
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Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?
 
You have not indicated the direction you are taking for positive current; seems to me like this is a first step.
 
Dr.D said:
You have not indicated the direction you are taking for positive current; seems to me like this is a first step.

Ok, let it be clockwise.
 

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